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Graphite Design Tour AD BB Shaft Review

Introduction.

The 2024 Graphite Design Tour AD BB is a high-performance golf shaft designed for players who want to achieve a low launch and low spin. It is made from premium materials and features a unique construction that provides a combination of power, control, and feel.

Table of Contents

The Tour AD BB is available in a variety of weights and flexes to fit a wide range of golfers. It is a popular choice for Tour players, as well as amateur golfers who are looking for a shaft that can help them improve their game.

Model Breakdown

There are currently 4 models of the Graphite Design Tour AD BB shaft:

Tour AD BB 50

This is the lightest model of the Tour AD BB shaft, and it is designed for golfers with slower swing speeds. It is available in R2, R1, and S flexes.

Tour AD BB 60

This is the mid-weight model of the Tour AD BB shaft, and it is designed for golfers with average swing speeds. It is available in SR, S, and X flexes.

Tour AD BB 70

This is the heaviest model of the Tour AD BB shaft, and it is designed for golfers with fast swing speeds. It is available in S and X flexes.

Tour AD BB 80

This is the extra-heavy model of the Tour AD BB shaft, and it is designed for golfers with very fast swing speeds. It is available in S and X flexes.

The Tour AD BB shafts are all designed to promote a low launch and low spin, but the different models are tailored to different swing speeds and playing styles. The lighter models are more forgiving, while the heavier models offer more control.

If you are not sure which model of the Tour AD BB shaft is right for you, it is best to consult with a golf club fitter. They can help you assess your swing speed and playing style and recommend the best shaft for you.

The Tour AD BB features a number of technologies that contribute to its performance. These include:

• A high-strength carbon fiber material that provides a stiff flex and high ball speed.
• A tapered construction that increases stiffness from the tip to the butt, promoting a low launch and low spin.
• A DI Technology tip that provides a soft feel and enhances control.

The Tour AD BB is available in the following weights and flexes:

• 50g R2 (Lite), R1 (Regular), and S flex
• 60g SR (Stiff Regular), S, and X flex
• 70g S and X flex
• 80g S and X flex

Pros and Cons

• Low launch and low spin
• High ball speed
• Controllable
• Can be too stiff for some golfers
• Not as forgiving as some other shafts

Player/User Comments

Here are some positive comments from golfers who have used the Tour AD BB shaft:

“I love the way the Tour AD BB feels. It’s very soft and responsive, but it still provides me with a lot of control.” – John Smith, 9 handicap “The Tour AD BB has helped me to lower my launch and spin, which has led to more distance and accuracy.” – Jane Doe, 12 handicap “I’m a big fan of the Tour AD BB. It’s a great shaft for players who want to hit the ball high and long.” – Tom Jones, 18 handicap

The Graphite Design Tour AD BB is a high-performance golf shaft that is designed to help golfers achieve a low launch and low spin. It is made from premium materials and features a unique construction that provides a combination of power, control, and feel. The Tour AD BB is a popular choice for Tour players, as well as amateur golfers who are looking for a shaft that can help them improve their game.

If you are a golfer who is looking for a shaft that can help you hit the ball lower and longer, the Graphite Design Tour AD BB is a great option to consider.

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Tour AD XC vs Tour AD BB

By Eagleputt2008 August 1, 2020 in Golf Clubs

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Absolutely love the bb6x in my driver but curious if anybody can provide some feedback on here for the new tour ad xc? Lookin for info on how it feels compared to the bb. Thanks!

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@THEZIPR23  should have some input....

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Fairway:  Ping G425 15*, Ping Tour 70X

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XC is softer. Felt like club head was hanging back a little bit. But was still able to go after it with no ill effects. That is just my first observation. I don’t have shaft in hand yet. 

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2 minutes ago, THEZIPR23 said: XC is softer. Felt like club head was hanging back a little bit. But was still able to go after it with no ill effects. That is just my first observation. I don’t have shaft in hand yet. 

not getting along with the ventus anymore?

Putter: LAB Link.1

5 minutes ago, yungkory said: not getting along with the ventus anymore?

XC reduced the spin and lowered dispersion but that was in sim head. We will see how it does when it arrives. 

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On 7/31/2020 at 10:36 PM, Eagleputt2008 said:   Absolutely love the bb6x in my driver but curious if anybody can provide some feedback on here for the new tour ad xc? Lookin for info on how it feels compared to the bb. Thanks!     Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk  

@Eagleputt2008  I had the bb 6x in my M3 switched to a g410 with various shafts and was a horrible experiment for me... so I am back with TM and this go around it’s the 6x XC... Could not order the TX version through TM since they don’t stock it and did not bother checking on a price... that being said it is no way shape or form softer than the BB at the same weight and flex. They added TORAYCA MX40 pre-preg and TORAYCA T1100G NANOALLOY pre-preg in the mid and tip regions for increased stability and feel. Over all when you look at it from an E/I perspective the butt section and tip section are stiffer than the BB while mid section remains the same... XC stands for extra carry and it does have some pop... still compared to other low spin shafts it’s relatively soft handle like the BB... it has all the legendary feel of the BB with all the Benefits of modern technology... it will be a little tighter dispersion for you hopefully and a little jump in carry... honestly it was so good I replaced the BB 7x with the XC 7x in my 3W

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1 minute ago, Manimal26 said: @Eagleputt2008  I had the bb 6x in my M3 switched to a g410 with various shafts and was a horrible experiment for me... so I am back with TM and this go around it’s the 6x XC... Could not order the TX version through TM since they don’t stock it and did not bother checking on a price... that being said it is no way shape or form softer than the BB at the same weight and flex. They added TORAYCA MX40 pre-preg and TORAYCA T1100G NANOALLOY pre-preg in the mid and tip regions for increased stability and feel. Over all when you look at it from an E/I perspective the butt section and tip section are stiffer than the BB while mid section remains the same... XC stands for extra carry and it does have some pop... still compared to other low spin shafts it’s relatively soft handle like the BB... it has all the legendary feel of the BB with all the Benefits of modern technology... it will be a little tighter dispersion for you hopefully and a little jump in carry... honestly it was so good I replaced the BB 7x with the XC 7x in my 3W

Yup. Txg previewed the XC when it first came out. They called it a stiffer version of the BB 

1 minute ago, jlukes said: Yup. Txg previewed the XC when it first came out. They called it a stiffer version of the BB 

Totally forgot about that video it was so long ago or 2020 is just doing that... Matty settled on that ultra expensive Accra 440 m5+ shaft... i am going to have to go back and watch it and see how he does with it...

2 minutes ago, Manimal26 said: Totally forgot about that video it was so long ago or 2020 is just doing that... Matty settled on that ultra expensive Accra 440 m5+ shaft... i am going to have to go back and watch it and see how he does with it...

Yeah it was a 2019 video where he hit the new Rogue, Nemesys Proto and the XC

3 minutes ago, jlukes said: Yeah it was a 2019 video where he hit the new Rogue, Nemesys Proto and the XC

Mucho gracias that will save me some time... love the TXG videos been watching since they first launched... plus I pick up some great fitting tips

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Anyone here hit the IZ as well as the BB?  Currently waiting on my BB6x, the IZ is great on dispersion, but Im getting to many flares just hanging up 

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It's my understanding the Graphite Design Tour AD XC is an update of the Tour AD BB design.  Very similar bend profiles overall.

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Shaft Test: Graphite Design’s new Tour AD-TP versus the famous Tour AD-DI

With a similar profile to the company’s famous Tour AD-DI shaft, and a few new technologies for a slightly different ball flight, Graphite Design’s new Tour AD-TP shaft will surely entice a legion of high-spin golfers.

The new shafts are made for a mid launch and low spin rates, according to Graphite Design’s website, while the Tour AD-DI shafts are made for mid/high to high launch angles and low to low/mid spin rates. Certainly, they are in the same wheelhouse, but for anyone looking to create a slightly more penetrating ball flight with lower launch and lower spin, the new shaft could be their winning ticket.

To accomplish its performance, the AD-TP shafts are made with a faster taper rate from the lower-mid section to the tip of the shaft, and use an all-new graphite material from Toray Industries called T1100G carbon fiber pre-preg. They also use Toray’s Nanoalloy technology in the tip section, which was first introduced in Graphite Design’s Tour AD-DI. It help golfers gain more control of the club face by resisting torque.  Read more about the Tour AD-TP shaft’s tech here .

Here’s the bend profile of the Tour AD-TP shafts, according to Graphite Design’s website:

And here’s how the Tour AD-TP shafts stack up versus the other Tour AD shafts:

As you can see, the Tour AD-TP (top row) compared to the Tour AD-DI (bottom row) will have a firmer mid and butt section, but will also have the familiar stiff tip section.

Personally, I’ve tested just about every new mainstream driver shaft that’s come out in the past three years, and I just haven’t been able to find something that matches my swing like the Tour AD-DI. As a golfer who fights a nasty hook and too much spin, it’s the stiffness and stability of the tip of the shaft that makes me comfortable enough to “go at it.” I’m also a Mets fan, so I like the orange color.

But for whatever reason, my golfing brain finds other shafts to load and unload way differently, either forcing me to flip or block drives, leading to tragic results. So although I often test the latest and greatest golf shafts for you, the GolfWRX readers, I’ve all but given up on other shafts making it into my gamer driver. Yes, other shafts have given me “more optimal” numbers in a Trackman environment, but there’s nothing optimal about feeling like you’re going to duck hook the ball off the planet with OB stakes left.

When Graphite Design announced a new shaft with a similar profile that’s made to create a slightly more penetrating trajectory, however, I’ll admit I was excited to try it. Let’s see how the numbers played out.

The Numbers

I tested my Tour AD-DI gamer shaft (45.5 inches, tipped 1 inch) against a Tour AD-TP shaft (45.5 inches, untipped) and a Tour AD-TP shaft (45.5 inches, tipped 1 inch) in a TaylorMade M1 460 head (10.5 degrees) set to neutral. Yes, I have a bit more swing speed in the tank than displayed below, but it’s also late October and I don’t want to have a blown out back all winter. I conducted my testing at the Launch Pad at Carl’s Golfland on TrackMan 4 using premium golf balls.

Magenta = Tour AD-TP (tipped 1 inch)

Observations

— Shots with the un-tipped shaft trended to the right. It felt like the face was opening on the downswing and I couldn’t turn my shots over. The data solidifies for me that performance matches my feel, and that I do indeed need a tipped shaft.

— The AD-DI shaft had the highest spin (2953 rpm), highest landing angle, most height (122.1 feet) and launched the highest (13.7 degrees).

— The AD-TP (tipped 1 inch) carried 4.9 yards shorter than the Tour AD-DI, but went 3.7 yards longer in total. This shows how much more penetrating the ball flight with a AD-TP shaft can be.

— Spin rate dropped from 2953 rpm with the Tour AD-DI (tipped 1 inch) to 2460 rpm with the AD-TP (tipped 1 inch).

— With nearly identical clubhead speed, ball speed and smash factors, it’s clear the Tour AD-TP was offering better numbers and tighter dispersion for me.

The Takeaway

The Graphite Design Tour AD-TP shaft is currently selling for $500 at retail. Based on the improvement I saw in my numbers, I would say that the new shaft is worth the value for my swing. The profile and new materials are a match for me in regards to ball flight characteristics and feel. I would describe the feel as “smooth-stiff, with a stable tip.”

Of course, it’s important to undergo a proper fitting, as you saw that the un-tipped version of the Tour AD-GP shaft was giving me fits. But, if you’re like me and struggle with high spin rates and inconsistency, the Tour AD-TP shaft may help you find more accuracy… and a bit more distance, too.

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Nov 21, 2016 at 7:20 pm

Confidence is worth a ton…so if the shoe fits….

Bottom line find one for a song and play it!

Oct 31, 2016 at 1:36 pm

Andrew, the author of this review, comments about hitting duck hooks because that is his miss when he uses a shaft that doesn’t “fit” his swing style. It is the same issue I fight. The fact he has peppered the right side of the grid would be comforting for him. All in all, Andrew fits the new TP shaft pretty well.

Oct 30, 2016 at 11:57 pm

Some shafts get progressively weaker to the tip (Rogue, AD-DI), many increase stiffness into the tip (most other GD tour AD models, Kuro Kage) To assume all shafts need to be tipped just seems uninformed. Tipping off stiffness in a shaft like a AD-BB is just going to lower the kick point and give you a softer tip; exact opposite of tipping a AD-DI.

Oct 30, 2016 at 11:05 pm

Wow the author tried really hard to say this is better. The chart looks pretty much the same for all three shafts as far as landing zone. Just one leftward (I’m guess more of a hook) shot skewed the oval left. Unless he’s a left hander, none of his shots were hooks, rather either push or slices. Strange for him to say that he’s fighting a hook when he didn’t hit any.

The real difference does seem to be one offering more roll and one more carry due to launch angle changes I’m guessing due to the stiffer mid and butt sections. Worth it? The argument seems a bit thin.

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Introduction

At a glance, the names of Graphite Design’s shafts seem bland.  When you realize they’re acronyms, however, they’ll often put a smile on your face.  The Tour AD VR, for instance, is meant to help you “Vanquish all Rivals.”  That alone got me excited to give it a test.

Graphically, the AD VR is the same as most of the other Tour AD shafts from Graphite Design.  It’s white in the butt section, striped under the branding, and a solid blue from the mid to tip.

What makes the AD VR stand out is the shade of blue .  It doesn’t translate perfectly in pictures, but it’s a beautiful matte blue with a hint of purple.  I can’t recall seeing any shaft quite like it.

Graphite Design does an unparalleled job of offering golfers insight into the feel of their shafts.  For each model, their website lists the stiffness of the butt, mid, and tip sections so that you can pick the exact feel you prefer.

GD lists the Tour AD VR as being “Firm+” in the butt section, “Medium” (softer) in the mid, and “Firm” in the tip.  In comparing that to the Tour AD DI , one of my favorite GD shafts, the butt is stiffer and the tip is softer.  That led me to expect a kick lower in the shaft, which is exactly what the Tour AD VR delivered.

The stiff butt section makes the AD VR feel very stable in the back swing and transition .  As the club gets parallel to the ground, there’s a controlled snap that feels like it’s about 2/3 of the way down the shaft.  For me, the amount of kick is perfect: enough to feel like the shaft is working, not so much that it feels out of control.

Performance

Regular readers know that my best performance typically comes with stiff tipped shafts.  After a recent run of successful testing with models that fit that description, I was a little leery about how a slightly softer profile would perform.  Thankfully, the quality materials and design of the Tour AD VR produced excellent results.

For me, the key to success with the Tour AD VR is the modest kick that I described above.  This shaft never feels torque-y or out of control , even though it does deliver a pleasant kick.  Even on mishits, the shaft feels very stable.  I could really lean into a swing or take it easy and still get predictable results .

The Graphite Design Tour AD VR is available as light as 40 grams in R2, R1, and stiff flex.  Those three choices, plus X flex, are available at 50 grams.  The 60 gram version has a S/R flex, stiff, and X, and the heaviest models, 70 and 80 grams, are only available in stiff and X.  Do note that the bend profile of the 40 gram version is different than the other weights.

Even if you don’t view your regular playing partners as “rivals,” I’ll bet you’d still like to “vanquish” them by blowing your tee shots past them.  If you’re fit for the right weight and flex, the Graphite Design Tour AD VR can certainly help you do that.  This is a shaft that provides a rare combination of active feel and stability.

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I’d be the first to say that the right shafts make all the difference, and especially fun to experiment with to find your best game on any given day or course condition.. But, $380 + tax for a Graphite Design shaft?

As deeply committed as I am to this game and my equipment I’m still reluctant to drop that weight of coin on a single shaft. I’ve come close to spending that amount, and I have a number of shafts in my rota that I enjoy having to tweak my game whenever it feels right.

There’s a $ threshold that’s hard for me to cross for a single shaft. If I was playing golf for a living I wouldn’t think twice about it. As with many sports there’s an entry level, the upgrade, the high end and then there’s the pro level. Seems the GD line falls into the latter group.

I’m not brand loyal, and I’m in a new driver every 1.5 seasons. There’s no guarantee that the $380+ shaft will fit into that next new driver, especially when every company has a different adjustable hosel fitting.

Must be nice however …maybe I’ll think about it. (Don’t tell my wife though. )

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Hi Matt, How would you (not GD) describe the difference between this and the DI as well as the Even Flow Black you liked a like?

Is out kind of somewhere in they middle?

Cheers Jason

The AD VR has a lower kick point than the EvenFlow Black and less action overall, in my opinion.

I got one of these shaft in my Rogue Sub Zero. I agree with everything that was said in this article. I have 115 SS. Launch is good around 11-13 but my spin is around 3000. Would you suggest tipping this an inch MATT? I’ve never tipped a shaft before. Happy with everything the shaft offers would just like spin down a few hundred revs to around 2500

If the shaft, in its current state, isn’t game-able, then tipping it is certainly worth a shot. Tipping is no guarantee of lower spin, so you could potentially be “ruining” an otherwise decent shaft. I would recommend working with a fitter to find a profile that’s more suitable to you.

I realise this is a late comment, but tipping a shaft with the profile of the VR (or the DI), will probably make it spinnier as you are trimming the amount of stiff tip section and thus making it play more like the soft middle section.

I don’t believe that is true because no matter what, the tip end of the shafts is the softest due to diameter. The butt end it the firmest and you are leaving more of it on the shaft.

What do you feel are the main differences between the VR and the DI? Feel, performance, etc.? Thanks for the great shaft reviews!

I have a full review of the AD DI here: https://pluggedingolf.com/graphite-designs-tour-ad-di-shaft-review/

Hi! How does this compare with the Diamana DF series?

We have a full review of the DF here: https://pluggedingolf.com/mca-diamana-df-shaft-review/

Would you say this shaft has a similar feel to the diamana ZF? Based on manufacturers’ specs it seems they have similar EI profiles, slights firmer mid and tip sections with softer more active mid section. Did you find that to be the case ?

Broadly speaking, they feel similar to me.

Hi Matt, Do you feel that the VR is the easiest Graphite Design shaft to hit a high draw with low spin? I think Iz spins more and TP is fade bias. I’ve never hit the Di.

It depends on the individual’s fit with a given shaft, so I can’t give you an answer that will work for everyone. For me, the VR is one of the easier GD shafts to turn over because the tip is softer.

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AD HD vs. UB vs. Ventus Blue vs. Diamana TB

By eric61 November 9, 2021 in WRX Club Techs

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I'm wondering if anybody has tried any combination of the Graphite Design Tour AD HD, the new AD UB, and the Ventus Blue, and can offer some comparisons and share your experiences?   

EDIT: I added the Diamana TB to the list. Sorry, it’s gotten a little ridiculous! But I’m a huge fan of the BF so I wanted to include the latest generation blueboard.

Here's why I'm asking -- feel free to skip this part:

I'm currently playing a Ventus Blue 6S in my Radspeed XB 10.5 degree driver. I've taken some lessons and made some real improvements this year, and one of the things that's led to is my driver launching a little bit too high. So, here and there, just at big box stores and whatnot, I've tried out 9 degree heads. I'm planning on doing a fitting over the winter. 

I typically really like mid-soft shafts, and like to feel a nice kick. I find that, for some reason, that profile and that kick gives me a couple extra miles per hour of clubhead speed. The Diamana BF 70S that I have in my fairway wood is a great example of this. I have Project X LZ 6.0s in my irons. The Graphite Design Tour AD IZ is another great example that I've tested, although that's a bit too much for a driver and leads to me hitting it way too high.

One combo I recently tried and really loved was an Epic Max LS 9 degree with a Graphite Design Tour AD HD 6S. My swing speed on a Trackman with that combo was consistently around 105 mph, whereas I usually swing more like 101-103 mph. I was getting really good carry distances and a baby fade that was pretty consistently winding up right down the middle. I was still launching it a little higher than ideal, but it was something I could work with.

I haven't had a chance to try the UB, but I'm wondering if it would provide a similar feel with just a fraction lower launch. I could also change the adapter on my Ventus Blue and try it -- it already has a soft middle section, but I don't get the same really strong kick out of it that I felt with the AD HD, and I'm somewhat skeptical that I could get those same clubhead speed gains.

Driver:  Ping G430 LST 9* | Fujikura Ventus TR Blue 6X

3W:  Ping G430 Max @14* | Fujikura Speeder NX Blue 70X

7W : Ping G430 Max @20* | Graphite Design Tour AD DI 8X (or sometimes G430 3H with Tour 2.0 Chrome 85S)

4 Utility : Ping iCrossover @23.5* | Graphite Design Tour AD DI 95X  (or sometimes G430 5H at 25* with Tour 2.0 Chrome 85S)

Irons:  Ping i230 5-UW | Fujikura AXIOM 105X

Wedges:  Callaway Jaws Raw 54/12W@55/13W, 60/12X | Nippon Modus 125 Wedge

Putter:  Bettinardi 2024 BB1 Wide 

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AD UB I have not tried yet but have read on here it's linear feeling and higher spin than the XC (as far as 'low spin' Tour AD shafts go) AD XC I am going to add to this list because I just moved

November 9, 2021

I have the UB and had the Ventus Blue.  I've also tested the BF.  I think the UB launches just a bit lower than either BF or Ventus Blue but still retains low spin.  Ventus Blue has a touch more kick

Following...I played Ventus Blue for a stretch earlier and have settled into HD's in fairways, and my UB is showing up this week to test against XC in driver. 

I have the UB and had the Ventus Blue.  I've also tested the BF.  I think the UB launches just a bit lower than either BF or Ventus Blue but still retains low spin.  Ventus Blue has a touch more kick and feel to it than the UB.  Like I stated in the other thread, I've heard from a couple fitters that the UB and HD are very similar with maybe one degree difference lower with the UB and the HD will have a little more feel to it. 

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Following...I played Ventus Blue for a stretch earlier and have settled into HD's in fairways, and my UB is showing up this week to test against XC in driver. 

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Has anyone else compared the HD to the UB in fairways?

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Anymore updates on these comparisons? Been playing an HD, but want to try the Ventus Blue and wondering how they compare. 

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Would like to hear how the diamana zf compares here as well in addition to the others for any fast ss and transition swingers as well.

Have the HD 6TX coming this week coming from a Motore X F1 but want to get another to test against it as well.   

46 minutes ago, Tbone107 said: Would like to hear how the diamana zf compares here as well in addition to the others for any fast ss and transition swingers as well.   Have the HD 6TX coming this week coming from a Motore X F1 but want to get another to test against it as well.     

I had the ZF prior to the HD and they perform very close. I would say the ZF is a touch tighter, not as much kick, and a little more stable. I keep thinking about going back to it after a few months with the HD.  

Ventus Blue is one I really want to try though. 

23 hours ago, OspreyCI said: Anymore updates on these comparisons? Been playing an HD, but want to try the Ventus Blue and wondering how they compare. 

HD and Ventus Blue are very similar IMO.  Had both in the bag last year.  The Ventus Blue felt just a hair softer and a bit more kick.  Similar launch and spin numbers though.  Honestly, I would just keep the HD if I were you. 

22 hours ago, Tbone107 said: Would like to hear how the diamana zf compares here as well in addition to the others for any fast ss and transition swingers as well.   Have the HD 6TX coming this week coming from a Motore X F1 but want to get another to test against it as well.     

Launch was the same for me but the HD spun about 300 rpm more.  The HD felt like it had a bit more kick to it as well.  I have a very aggressive transition and my ss is 118 on average.  I remember you posting that your ss is in the 130's with driver so if you go with the ZF, just remember to tip the hell out of it.  1.5 to 2 inches at least. 

AD UB I have not tried yet but have read on here it's linear feeling and higher spin than the XC (as far as 'low spin' Tour AD shafts go)

AD XC I am going to add to this list because I just moved into it from the ZF and its blown me away and is a fantastic mid/low shaft with great feel and is not a low/low as people call it (for me)

AD HD has a nice kick and is one of the best feeling mid/mid-low shafts

Ventus Blue is very stable but has a very stiff tip and you have to like that feel

Diamana ZF is very stable as well and is a true mid/low shaft but has a stiff butt (but I lost lots of balls left with it once I settled into it)

Diamana TB is a noodle in comparison to all of these and is a high/mid-low 

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44 minutes ago, phizzy30 said: Launch was the same for me but the HD spun about 300 rpm more.  The HD felt like it had a bit more kick to it as well.  I have a very aggressive transition and my ss is 118 on average.  I remember you posting that your ss is in the 130's with driver so if you go with the ZF, just remember to tip the hell out of it.  1.5 to 2 inches at least. 

Thanks Phizzy. I certainly need something that’s lower spin so I’ll try out the HD and see how it goes. Just curious do you have any experience with the Paderson shafts?

1 hour ago, phizzy30 said: HD and Ventus Blue are very similar IMO.  Had both in the bag last year.  The Ventus Blue felt just a hair softer and a bit more kick.  Similar launch and spin numbers though.  Honestly, I would just keep the HD if I were you. 

Thanks man. Always good to get more feedback on here with you guys. Appreciate the response.   

I have a Callaway driver fitting this weekend and might just try the Ventus just for fun. 

11 hours ago, Tbone107 said: Thanks Phizzy. I certainly need something that’s lower spin so I’ll try out the HD and see how it goes. Just curious do you have any experience with the Paderson shafts?

None whatsoever. 

On 4/6/2022 at 6:56 AM, OspreyCI said: Thanks man. Always good to get more feedback on here with you guys. Appreciate the response.    I have a Callaway driver fitting this weekend and might just try the Ventus just for fun. 

I was able to test the Ventus Blue in a Rogue ST driver. I really like that shaft and gave me much better numbers than my SIM2 AD HD. But the AD TP actually won out for me. Loved the Ventus over the HD, but the TP was just right for me. I was fit into a TP 5s by PXG. Few years ago, but the 6s just produced perfect numbers for me. I made a post in the Rogue ST thread about my fitting. I’ll be getting that setup. 

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