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Club Path/Face to Path Optimal or Acceptable Ranges

By Eli17 , September 24, 2023 in Instruction and Playing Tips

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Just recently I gained access to a Trackman (Golf isn't a very popular sport where I am from) and got a bunch of new info about my swing, however I am unsure about one particular value - an optimal/acceptable range for Club path and face to path.

I understand the ball flight laws but am actually interested what would represent a functional working range in actual degrees. I watched a bunch of youtube, searched the forums and didn't find any actual number except for one post mentioning a generally functional swing path should be in the +/- 3-6 degrees with the face to path being the opposite and halved both for fade and draw. e.g. if you have a +5 path you would want the ftp to be -2,5ish as a general rule.

Can anyone help me figure out what I should be aiming for? Where can I get some info on this.

my swing speed with 7 iron is 77-78 mph and my path is from in to out on average 5-6 degrees and face to path is -3 to-4. So its a draw biased swing but I was honestly surprised that if was so in to out. On swings where I got stuck it was even 8-10 degrees in to out.

Would appreciate any help. 

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colin007

I'm not really sure what you are asking for, people play different amounts of curve and the face to path versus path angle differences are just going to create different amounts of curve. Some people prefer more, some people prefer less. As long as you have a consistent ball flight I wouldn't worry too much about it

billchao

I think generally speaking, good shots are within 2° FTP. You’re not that far off in terms of the face but that path needs addressing. Your miss with a 7i that’s 8-10° out is way too much.

1 minute ago, colin007 said: I'm not really sure what you are asking for, people play different amounts of curve and the face to path versus path angle differences are just going to create different amounts of curve. Some people prefer more, some people prefer less. As long as you have a consistent ball flight I wouldn't worry too much about it

There gets to be a point where big curves aren’t playable. Like if you have a tree-lined hole where you have to start your ball right to sweep it around but you can’t because the trees are there.

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1 hour ago, billchao said: I think generally speaking, good shots are within 2° FTP. You’re not that far off in terms of the face but that path needs addressing. Your miss with a 7i that’s 8-10° out is way too much. There gets to be a point where big curves aren’t playable. Like if you have a tree-lined hole where you have to start your ball right to sweep it around but you can’t because the trees are there.

Thanks for the input! Is there some type of table or spreadsheet that would provide information or approximate values on what would to expect under the specific path and ftp values?

Would aiming for a 3 degree in to out path with a slightly closed face make sense?   

1 hour ago, colin007 said: I'm not really sure what you are asking for, people play different amounts of curve and the face to path versus path angle differences are just going to create different amounts of curve. Some people prefer more, some people prefer less. As long as you have a consistent ball flight I wouldn't worry too much about it

I am looking for a table or formula for what types of flight I can expect under specific circumstances. Namely if my swing speed is approx 80 mph, path is +3 and ftp is -2, what will the outcome be? 

The big picture I would say is that I am having trouble digesting the info I got and do not know what an acceptable and functional range regarding path would be, so I am looking for an anchor value to start and set a goal.

17 minutes ago, Eli17 said: Is there some type of table or spreadsheet that would provide information or approximate values on what would to expect under the specific path and ftp values?

I don’t think it is as simple as just the two variables. Dynamic loft plays a part, too. Anyway the data isn’t available to the general public. I’m sure Trackman has it.

18 minutes ago, Eli17 said: Would aiming for a 3 degree in to out path with a slightly closed face make sense?

I’d be careful about chasing specific numbers as a goal. If you’re hitting big curves and hooks, work on that. The numbers will sort themselves out.

20 minutes ago, Eli17 said: The big picture I would say is that I am having trouble digesting the info I got and do not know what an acceptable and functional range regarding path would be, so I am looking for an anchor value to start and set a goal.

Golf isn’t played from a spreadsheet, my friend 😃

I know plenty of golfers who don’t know their swing numbers like I know mine who could give me five strokes a side and still beat me.

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3 hours ago, Eli17 said:  Th e big picture I would say is that I am having trouble digesting the info I got and do not know what an acceptable and functional range regarding path would be, so I am looking for an anchor value to start and set a goal.

I think the goal is to have your ball curve back towards the intended landing line. Is your ball doing that?

  • Sep 25 iacas changed the title to Club Path/Face to Path Optimal or Acceptable Ranges

grubby98

trackman university has a lot of information about this and other parts in regards to numbers.  def go through it and it will help you with the numbers

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You really need to know the numbers if you want to go down that path...

You can have a perfect path of +3 degrees and the face aiming +1.5 degrees from the target (fadeToPath of -1.5) for each club in the bag and you will still see totally different ball fligth with each of them. Why?

Going for the extreme examples... You are probably hitting down on your wedges by 6°. By the D-Plane laws (an extension of the ball flight rules) you are moving your path to the right by 3° so now your dynamic path is in reality +6° but the face is still only +1.5° (dynamic faceToPath is now -4.5°). As you know the ball is going to launch at around +2° to the target and turn left to miss it to the left (overdraw). (wedges curve less than less lofted clubs but enough to make you miss left if you don't consider the effect of AoA in the dynamic path.

So basically every club you hit down on it you are going to miss it in average to the left of the target, just because the dynamic path is more right than you intended.  If you manage to hit your woods with 0° AoA then you are going to hit your target as you wanted.  But if you hit Up with the driver, lets say +4°, you are moving your dynamic path to the left by 2 degrees. So now your dynamic path is +1° to target and your face is still +1.5° degrees from target (face to path is now +0.5). This is going to be a ball launching +1° of target and moving rigth. (basically a Fade). So with wedges and every club you hit down on it, you are going to hit an overdraw (you need to aim more to the rigth), with 0° AoA you are going to play a perfect draw (you need to aim to the target), and hitting up on it you are going to see a Fade moving away from target (you need to aim left of the target). 

Conclusion A: there is no perfect number. There are a lot of variables that affect ball flight that changes with every club you pick up. consider that toe and heel shots also affect ball flight. 

Conclusion B: Having a faceToPath that is 1 or 2 degrees apart is going to make you hit fade and draws depending on your AoA.  To hit the ball with the same shape for every club you need to have more degrees between the face and the path than half of the AoA you are hitting each shot. If you hit down on wedges at -6° and up on the driver at +6° then you need to at least have 4 degrees between your face and your path in either direction.  

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4 hours ago, p1n9183 said: You really need to know the numbers if you want to go down that path... You can have a perfect path of +3 degrees and the face aiming +1.5 degrees from the target (fadeToPath of -1.5) for each club in the bag and you will still see totally different ball fligth with each of them. Why? Going for the extreme examples... You are probably hitting down on your wedges by 6°. By the D-Plane laws (an extension of the ball flight rules) you are moving your path to the right by 3° so now your dynamic path is in reality +6° but the face is still only +1.5° (dynamic faceToPath is now -4.5°). As you know the ball is going to launch at around +2° to the target and turn left to miss it to the left (overdraw). (wedges curve less than less lofted clubs but enough to make you miss left if you don't consider the effect of AoA in the dynamic path. So basically every club you hit down on it you are going to miss it in average to the left of the target, just because the dynamic path is more right than you intended.  If you manage to hit your woods with 0° AoA then you are going to hit your target as you wanted.  But if you hit Up with the driver, lets say +4°, you are moving your dynamic path to the left by 2 degrees. So now your dynamic path is +1° to target and your face is still +1.5° degrees from target (face to path is now +0.5). This is going to be a ball launching +1° of target and moving rigth. (basically a Fade). So with wedges and every club you hit down on it, you are going to hit an overdraw (you need to aim more to the rigth), with 0° AoA you are going to play a perfect draw (you need to aim to the target), and hitting up on it you are going to see a Fade moving away from target (you need to aim left of the target).  Conclusion A: there is no perfect number. There are a lot of variables that affect ball flight that changes with every club you pick up. consider that toe and heel shots also affect ball flight.  Conclusion B: Having a faceToPath that is 1 or 2 degrees apart is going to make you hit fade and draws depending on your AoA.  To hit the ball with the same shape for every club you need to have more degrees between the face and the path than half of the AoA you are hitting each shot. If you hit down on wedges at -6° and up on the driver at +6° then you need to at least have 4 degrees between your face and your path in either direction.  
11 hours ago, p1n9183 said: You really need to know the numbers if you want to go down that path... You can have a perfect path of +3 degrees and the face aiming +1.5 degrees from the target (fadeToPath of -1.5) for each club in the bag and you will still see totally different ball fligth with each of them. Why? Going for the extreme examples... You are probably hitting down on your wedges by 6°. By the D-Plane laws (an extension of the ball flight rules) you are moving your path to the right by 3° so now your dynamic path is in reality +6° but the face is still only +1.5° (dynamic faceToPath is now -4.5°). As you know the ball is going to launch at around +2° to the target and turn left to miss it to the left (overdraw). (wedges curve less than less lofted clubs but enough to make you miss left if you don't consider the effect of AoA in the dynamic path. So basically every club you hit down on it you are going to miss it in average to the left of the target, just because the dynamic path is more right than you intended.  If you manage to hit your woods with 0° AoA then you are going to hit your target as you wanted.  But if you hit Up with the driver, lets say +4°, you are moving your dynamic path to the left by 2 degrees. So now your dynamic path is +1° to target and your face is still +1.5° degrees from target (face to path is now +0.5). This is going to be a ball launching +1° of target and moving rigth. (basically a Fade). So with wedges and every club you hit down on it, you are going to hit an overdraw (you need to aim more to the rigth), with 0° AoA you are going to play a perfect draw (you need to aim to the target), and hitting up on it you are going to see a Fade moving away from target (you need to aim left of the target).  Conclusion A: there is no perfect number. There are a lot of variables that affect ball flight that changes with every club you pick up. consider that toe and heel shots also affect ball flight.  Conclusion B: Having a faceToPath that is 1 or 2 degrees apart is going to make you hit fade and draws depending on your AoA.  To hit the ball with the same shape for every club you need to have more degrees between the face and the path than half of the AoA you are hitting each shot. If you hit down on wedges at -6° and up on the driver at +6° then you need to at least have 4 degrees between your face and your path in either direction.  

This is an amazing amount of information and knowledge and I am grateful for the explanations (using actual numbers which a lot of people don't do) and time used to answer. Where could I get further information like this and further examine it?

On 9/24/2023 at 10:46 PM, colin007 said: I think the goal is to have your ball curve back towards the intended landing line. Is your ball doing that?

Yes, I have a draw biased swing, my miss is a straight push most often. However this is an attempt to get the flight under control and be able to predict what amount of curve I want. So my goal is not to work the extremes and sling hooks around the course but rather getting an idea as to what would be a functional range for the ball flight. 

9 hours ago, Eli17 said: Where could I get further information like this and further examine it?

This page was really useful when I found it.

https://www.perfectgolfswingreview.net/ballflight.htm

On 9/26/2023 at 4:38 PM, p1n9183 said:  As you know the ball is going to launch at around +2° to the target 

How dare you assume that I know that.....

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On 9/27/2023 at 4:09 AM, Eli17 said: This is an amazing amount of information and knowledge and I am grateful for the explanations (using actual numbers which a lot of people don't do) and time used to answer. Where could I get further information like this and further examine it?

@grubby98  already answered this, Trackman University. It's free.

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On 9/27/2023 at 4:09 AM, Eli17 said: Yes, I have a draw biased swing, my miss is a straight push most often. However this is an attempt to get the flight under control and be able to predict what amount of curve I want . So my goal is not to work the extremes and sling hooks around the course but rather getting an idea as to what would be a functional range for the ball flight. 

You answered this in your original post, somewhere where the face is roughly half of the path will have the ball curving. The more severe your path is and the further the face is from that path the bigger the curve will be. IMO that is all you really need to know in order to predict what amount of curve you want and a functional range for the ball flight. And then just be aware of gear affect especially with longer clubs and the affect that can have on ball flight too.  

I think launch monitor numbers can be useful but it's important to not get bogged down in the weeds with the data. I own a launch monitor that gives me club data too, but I've never once been on the course and thought to myself "My stock swing is 2 degrees out to in but I want to cut this ball more around a tree, I need to make my path 7 out to in here because that gives me 30yds of curve but 6 degrees out to in only gives me 25yds of curve."

A functional range for the ball flight is going to be one that has a repeatable start line and a repeatable curve. You can make that happen with a 1 degree in to out path, a 5 degree in to out path, or even an 8 degree in to out path depending on where you deliver the face. For a period of time earlier this year I was hitting functional shots that were hitting my target and my swing path was double digits out to in.

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43 minutes ago, klineka said: You answered this in your original post, somewhere where the face is roughly half of the path will have the ball curving.

It's a 1:2 ratio for a 6I, yes. For a 9I/W it's about 1:5 or 1:6 for a ball to curve back to the target. For a driver it's closer to 2:3 or even 3:4.

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by Sam Ledgerwood | Feb 3, 2024

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Trackman data can be overwhelming with its numerous numbers and measurements. However, understanding the key data points can provide valuable insights into your golf swing. In this article, I will break down the essential Trackman numbers and explain what they mean for your game.

WHAT'S IN THIS ARTICLE?

Key Takeaways:

  • Understanding Trackman data can provide valuable insights into your golf swing.
  • Key data points can help you analyze and improve your performance on the golf course.
  • Trackman data includes metrics like face angle , club path , impact location , attack angle , and low point .
  • Interpreting these numbers can help you understand shot shape, ball flight, and optimize your swing.
  • Consulting with a Trackman coach can provide personalized guidance for improving your game.

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Face Angle: Understanding the Horizontal Direction

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The face angle is a vital aspect of your golf swing and plays a significant role in determining the initial direction of the ball. It represents the horizontal direction in which your club face is pointing at the moment of impact. Understanding the face angle can help you correct any issues and improve your shot accuracy.

When measuring the face angle, a closed club face will point to the left and display a negative number. This indicates that the club face is closed in relation to the target line. On the other hand, an open club face will point to the right and show a positive number, suggesting that the face is open. A square club face, where the club face points directly at the target line, will have a value of 0 degrees.

An open club face at impact can lead to a shot that veers off to the right, while a closed club face can result in a shot that curves left. Achieving a square club face is crucial for hitting straight shots and aligning with the target. It’s important to note that the face angle alone does not determine the shot shape; other factors like the club path also influence the final outcome.

To measure the face angle accurately and understand its impact on your shots, consider using launch monitors like Trackman. These devices provide precise data and analysis, giving you valuable insights into your swing mechanics. By understanding and managing your face angle, you can make adjustments and improve your ball striking consistency.

Why Face Angle Matters

The face angle is fundamental because it dictates the initial direction of the ball. Even a slight variation in the face angle can result in a significant deviation from your intended target. By understanding the face angle and its relationship to the target line, you can make necessary corrections to achieve the desired shot shape.

For instance, if you consistently have an open club face at impact, causing your shots to slice to the right, you can work on closing the club face to produce straighter shots. Conversely, if you tend to have a closed club face , resulting in shots that hook to the left, focusing on opening the club face can help you straighten out your shots.

Understanding the face angle is particularly important for golfers who struggle with consistency and shot shape control. By analyzing your face angle data and making the necessary adjustments, you can improve your accuracy and achieve more predictable outcomes on the course.

Face Angle and Shot Direction

Club path: analyzing the swing direction.

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When it comes to analyzing your golf swing, understanding the club path is crucial. The club path refers to the direction in which you are swinging the club, and it plays a significant role in determining the shape of your shots. By analyzing your club path, you can gain valuable insights into your swing and make adjustments to achieve your desired ball flight.

A positive club path indicates an in-to-out swing , where the club approaches the ball from the inside and moves towards the target line. This type of swing often produces a draw shape, where the ball curves gently from right to left (for right-handed golfers). On the other hand, a negative club path suggests an out-to-in swing , where the club approaches the ball from the outside and moves away from the target line. This swing path can result in a fade or slice, with the ball curving from left to right.

Understanding your club path allows you to shape your ball flight according to your intentions. If you want to hit a draw, you can focus on maintaining an in-to-out swing path. Conversely, if you prefer a fade, you can work on swinging out-to-in. By analyzing and adjusting your club path, you can gain better control over the direction and shape of your shots.

To help you visualize the concept of club path, here is an example:

As you can see from the table above, there is a clear correlation between club path and shot shape. By understanding and analyzing your club path, you can make informed decisions to optimize your swing and improve your overall performance on the course.

Impact Location: Considering the Strike Position

Impact location is a critical aspect of your golf swing and refers to the position on the club face where you make contact with the ball. The ideal scenario is to hit the ball at the centered sweet spot of the club face.

A centered strike at the sweet spot is considered ideal as it allows for maximum energy transfer and control over the shot. Hitting the ball off-center can significantly affect the shot shape and result in unintended outcomes.

When the ball is struck towards the heel of the club face, it tends to produce a fade. On the other hand, a strike towards the toe can result in a draw. These deviations from the sweet spot impact the direction and curvature of the ball flight.

Understanding the impact location is essential for analyzing shot shape and understanding the relationship between the club face and club path. By adjusting your impact location, you can fine-tune your ball flight and gain better control over your shots.

Here’s a table summarizing the effects of impact location on shot shape:

By paying attention to your impact location and practicing consistently, you can improve your ability to hit the ball at the sweet spot and achieve more consistent and accurate shots on the golf course.

Attack Angle and Low Point: Examining Ball Interaction

When it comes to optimizing your golf swing, understanding the attack angle and low point is crucial. These two variables play a significant role in determining your ball contact and overall performance on the course.

Attack Angle: Hitting Down or Up on the Ball

The attack angle measures the vertical direction of your club head at the moment of impact. A negative attack angle means you are hitting down on the ball , while a positive attack angle indicates you are hitting up on the ball .

If you have a negative attack angle, your club is moving downward, which is ideal for iron shots. By striking down on the ball, you can compress it and achieve optimal spin and distance control. This attack angle helps to create a divot in front of the ball, indicating a crisp and precise strike.

On the other hand, a positive attack angle is beneficial for driving the ball off the tee. By hitting up on the ball , you can increase your launch angle and reduce spin, resulting in longer drives. This attack angle allows you to sweep the ball off the tee without taking a divot.

Low Point: Finding the Bottom of Your Swing

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Conversely, when your low point is indicated as “B,” it suggests you are hitting the ground before making contact with the ball. This is preferred for driving the ball off the tee, as it helps promote an upward attack angle and maximize distance. By hitting the ground first, you can launch the ball high into the air and achieve a powerful drive.

Understanding and optimizing your attack angle and low point can greatly impact your performance on the golf course. By adjusting these variables according to the shot you intend to make, you can achieve better ball contact, control, and consistency in your game.

Interpreting Trackman data may initially seem overwhelming, but understanding the key numbers can offer valuable insights into your golf swing. By analyzing the face angle, club path, impact location, attack angle, and low point, you can gain a deeper understanding of the factors influencing your ball flight and make more informed decisions to improve your game.

Consulting with a Trackman coach can provide specific guidance tailored to your swing, helping you make the most of the data. Remember, practice and analysis are key to unlocking the secrets of your swing and optimizing your performance on the golf course.

So, don’t be intimidated by the abundance of numbers. Instead, embrace the opportunity to read Trackman data and uncover the hidden insights it holds. By delving into the intricacies of your swing, you can take your game to new heights and enjoy the satisfaction of watching your skills transform.

How do I read Trackman data?

Reading Trackman data involves understanding key measurements such as the face angle, club path, impact location, attack angle, and low point. These numbers provide valuable insights into your golf swing and can help you improve your game. Let’s break down what each measurement means:

What does the face angle represent?

The face angle indicates the horizontal direction in which your club face is pointing at impact. A positive number means an open club face, while a negative number suggests a closed club face. A value of 0 degrees represents a square club face aligned with the target line.

What is club path and why is it important?

Club path refers to the direction in which you are swinging the club. A positive club path indicates an in-to-out swing , while a negative club path suggests an out-to-in swing . It influences the shape of your shots, with a positive club path often producing a draw and a negative club path resulting in a fade or slice.

How does impact location affect my shots?

Impact location refers to the position on the club face where you make contact with the ball. Striking the ball at the sweet spot ( centered contact ) is ideal, while deviations from the center can affect shot shape. A strike towards the heel can cause a fade, while a strike towards the toe can result in a draw.

What does attack angle and low point indicate?

Attack angle measures the vertical direction of the club head at impact. A negative attack angle means the club is moving downward, while a positive attack angle indicates an upward movement. Low point refers to the moment in your swing when you reach the lowest point. These measurements have implications for different types of shots and help optimize ball contact.

How can understanding Trackman data improve my game?

By analyzing key Trackman numbers, you can gain a better understanding of your golf swing and make informed decisions to improve your performance. Understanding the face angle, club path, impact location, attack angle, and low point can help you shape your shots, optimize ball contact, and make intentional adjustments to enhance your ball flight.

Should I consult with a Trackman coach for guidance?

Yes, consulting with a Trackman coach is highly recommended. They can provide specific guidance tailored to your swing and help you interpret and analyze your Trackman data effectively. A professional coach can assist you in making the necessary adjustments and improvements based on the insights provided by the Trackman measurements.

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The partnership between the PGA Tour and Trackman expands the tracking and tracing system from tee boxes to shots hit from the fairway and around the green. This means that every golf shot during a Tour event will be captured and instantly shared with television, OTT and digital partners. This data significantly enriches fan experiences on platforms like TOURCast, where inbound shots to the green can be visualized, offering a unique perspective on the game.

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This collaboration is expected to unlock even more innovative ways to present the game of golf. As technology continues to evolve, the fan experience will reach new heights, and the stories of the players' extraordinary skills will be told in captivating ways. The integration of Trackman's mobile system, which requires no cables or connections, is a step toward greater flexibility and efficiency in tracking shots from the fairway. This technology is being tested for future use on other events, including PGA Tour Champions and the Korn Ferry Tour.

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Trackman – what is club path.

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Prior to recent research, the golf world believed the club face curved the ball and the path created the start line of our shots. However, thanks to Trackman, they found this to be incorrect! In the golfing world, it was like saying the world is round instead of flat.

The new findings have found that the club path actually determines the curvature of our shots whilst club face is a lot more prevalent for the initial starting direction of our shots. As the slogan now goes, “The face starts it, the path bends it”

The actual definition of the club path is “ The in-to-out or out-to-in movement of the club head’s geometric center at the time of maximum compression.”

In other words, club path is normally referred to as being into out swing, known as a positive number for a right handed golfer  or out to in which would show as a negative number for the right handed golfer

The holy grail for most amateur golfers is a “draw shot”. To do this we have to create an in to out club path. The optimal club path depends on what ball flight a player likes to see. The higher the club path is relative to zero, the more the ball will potentially curve.

This bodes the discussion for our next blog which ball flight is more efficient for the level of golfer that I am currently and how do I achieve this specific club movement.

Deciding on our intention for the outcome, what we aim to achieve is half the battle of hitting solid golf shots. Once that decision is made, it is much easier to build a golf swing that repeats and produces the shot patterns that we would like to see.

Club path for most golfers is one of the most consistent parts of one swing. However if you come in and your club path is not what you would like it to be, book a lesson with myself or one of our other Golf Room instructors and we would be happy to help you build your ideal club path.

Have a great week and I hope to see you in the Golf Room working on your game

Mitch Farrer – TGR Instructor 

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TrackMan utilizes radar technology to precisely track microwaves reflecting from moving golf clubs and balls, capturing critical data at the moment of impact. Established in 2003, TrackMan has a rich history in golf radar technology, aiding professionals in comprehending impact dynamics. Its radar system maps essential parameters such as club speed, ball speed, backspin, launch angle, face direction, swing direction, attack angle, dynamic loft, and more.

This portable golf launch monitor and swing analyzer are indispensable tools in golf instruction today, catering to professionals, coaches, players of all levels, and beginners alike. Whether for swing refinement, analysis, or club fitting, the radar and software adapt seamlessly to both outdoor and indoor simulated golf environments. TrackMan empowers users to grasp how PGA Tour players leverage data in their daily routines.

With unparalleled precision, TrackMan tracks the complete shot trajectory, accurately pinpointing the landing position within a foot at 100 yards. Real-time data, including 3D shot trajectories and 26 impact and ball flight parameters, is delivered within 1 second of impact.

Here are the key club and ball metrics that TrackMan can track for comprehensive analysis:

Face Angle is the direction the club face is pointed (right or left) at impact.

Most golfers refer to this as having an open or closed club face. A positive value means the club face is pointed to the right of the target at impact for a right-handed golfer) and a negative value means the club face is pointed to the left of the target for a right-handed golfer).

SWING DIRECTION

Swing Direction is the direction the club head is moving (right or left) during the bottom half of the swing.

Most golfers relate this number to hitting the ball in-to-out or out-to-in. A positive value means the club is moving to the right of the target at impact (for a right-handed golfer) and a negative value means it is moving to the left of the targetout-to-in (for a right-handed golfer).

ATTACK ANGLE

Attack Angle is the direction the club head is moving (up or down) at impact.

Shots hit off the ground should have a negative attack angle in order to create ball first contact. However, golfers with slower club speeds should be careful not to hit too much down (negative attack angle) with their irons.

DYANMIC LOFT

Dynamic Loft is the amount of loft on the club face at impact.

The golfer’s attack angle, how the shaft bends, how the golfer releases the club head, whether the club face is open or closed to the club path, and where the ball makes contact on the club face can all impact the dynamic loft.

Club Path is the direction the club head is moving (right or left) at impact.

Most golfers relate this number to hitting the ball in-to-out or out-to-in. A positive value means the club is moving to the right of the target at impact (in-to-out for a right-handed golfer) and a negative value means it is moving to the left of the target ( for a right-handed golfer).

VERTICAL SWING PLANE

Vertical Swing Plane is a measurement of how vertical the swing is.

More technically it is the angle made between the ground and the plane of club head trajectory at the bottom of the swing arc. A high value represents a very up and down (steep) swing plane and a low value represents a relatively flat (to the ground plane.

FACE TO PATH

Face to Path is the difference between face angle and club path.

If the ball is impacted in the center of the club and there is no wind, a negative Face to Path value will result in a draw/hook while a positive Face to Path value will result in a fade/slice.

Spin Rate is how many times the ball rotates per minute when leaving the clubface.

Spin rate is independent of the orientation of the spin axis. The spin rate drops during ball flight, typically 4% for each second of flight.

HEIGHT (Apex)

Height is the apex point of the ball flight.

Height is measured relative to the height of the starting/launch position of the ball

LAUNCH ANGLE

Launch angle is the ball’s initial vertical angle.

The ball’s initial vertical angle is relative to level ground (horizon).

Carry is how far the ball travels in the air.

The number reported is carry flat, meaning how far the ball would carry if the ground were perfectly flat relative to where the ball was launched from.

Total is the sum of carry distance plus calculated bounce and roll.

The calculated bounce and roll model depends on three parameters measured by TrackMan: landing angle, spin rate and landing speed.

The balls initial velocity.

Ball speed is the golf balls initial velocity off the clubface.

The speed of the center of the clubface.

Speed of the center of the clubface at impact (first contact with the ball). The speed of the club can vary as much as 7mph from heel to toe.

SMASH FACTOR

Smash Factor is the ratio “ball speed divided by club speed.”

This ratio of ball speed over club speed describes the efficiency of impact.

Spin Loft is the difference between dynamic loft and angle of attack.

The spin loft is related to the static loft of the club, however shaft flex and hands leading or lagging the club head will alter this. Spin loft in the end determines the amount of spin of the ball.

Spin Axis is the axis the ball spins around.

Spin Axis is the measure of axial tilt. Positive means the axis is tilted to the right (resulting a fade or slice for a right handed golfer) and a negative means the axis is tilted to the left (resulting in a draw or hook for a right handed golfer).

LAUNCH DIRECTION

Launch Direction is the initial direction of the ball relative to the target line.

A positive launch direction means the ball started to the right of the target line, a negative reading means to the left of the target line.

LANDING ANGLE

Landing Angle is the descent angle of the ball.

The Landing Angle is measured to the carry (flat) landing point relative to ground level.

Side is how far off-line the ball lands relative to the target line at the point.

Similar to carry, side is “flat,” meaning how far the ball would land off target if the ground were perfectly flat relative to where the ball was launched from.

Side Total is how far off-line the ball lands relative to the target line after bounce and roll.

Hang Time is the amount of time the ball flies in the air.

Hang Time is the amount of time the ball flies in the air from club impact to landing if the ground were perfectly flat relative to where the ball was launched from.

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Real-time Trackman data now available to TOUR pros during practice rounds

Real-time Trackman data now available to TOUR pros during practice rounds

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Real-time Trackman data is now available to all PGA TOUR players during tournament practice rounds.

Beginning each Tuesday around noon through the end of the day Wednesday, players will have access to their data from every tee shot using the Trackman Golf Pro app. Once a player tees off, their data will auto-populate into the app. Data is not available on tournament days.

Trackman and Shotlink equipment at the RSM Classic. (Cliff Hawkins/Getty Images)

Trackman and Shotlink equipment at the RSM Classic. (Cliff Hawkins/Getty Images)

The feature debuted at THE PLAYERS Championship earlier this year and was made fully available during the Wells Fargo Championship last week. The service is exclusive to the PGA TOUR.

“What we’re trying to accomplish is give more players more information quicker so they can see how their ball is reacting in live conditions,” said Ken Lovell, PGA TOUR Senior Vice President Golf Technologies.

Users will be able to see the following metrics: ball speed, height, launch and land angle, spin rate, carry distance and curve. Two new metrics are also available: carry (actual) and landing angle (actual), allowing players to see exactly how much the uphill or downhill impacts their carry distance and landing angle.

This data is available to players, caddies, coaches, and equipment manufacturers. Only users who have been granted access will see the Practice Round option in the app. Spectators and other Trackman users will not be able to access the data. Users must be near the tee and have the app open before the shot is hit. The data can then be tagged by club and saved for review.

The hope is to streamline the process for players who would like to factor data into their decision-making, Lovell said. They’ve seen an increased demand for Trackman data on the course – many players even carry their own Trackman devices during practice rounds. This latest development will allow players to see more advanced data without having to carry a unit with them. The data comes directly from the 36 Trackman units (one at every tee box and green) that are used during competition.

“For us it’s all about helping players create a better game, achieve better results and optimize performance,” said Bernd Linde, vice president of marketing for Trackman. “We had the units standing on the course and it was generating a lot of data, but we weren’t sharing the data. Now we are. We just want to help the players.”

It’s already proved valuable for Hunter Stewart, a consultant who works with numerous players on the PGA TOUR, including Maverick McNealy, Trey Mullinax, Matthew NeSmith and Scott Stallings. Stewart said it’s been a helpful tool for club testing and cataloging, as many players “don’t exactly swing it on the driving range how they do on the golf course.”

“It’s just another nice tool in the toolbox to make better informed decisions, whether that’s club changes or figuring out how far the ball is going in a practice round in regard to weather,” Stewart said. “It just helps streamline their prep process and it’s immediate feedback. It’s definitely an asset.”

Trackman and the PGA TOUR are expected to roll out more features over the coming months, including the addition of approach shots. Normalization will also be added, allowing the user to see how changes in altitude and temperature affect the ball and how the ball would've reacted in calm conditions.

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Many golfers have heard of Trackman but very few know what it actually does (and doesn’t do). TRACKMAN uses the same military Doppler radar technology which tracks a missile in flight. Engineers in Denmark adapted the missile tracking technology producing a product capable of tracking a live golf ball in flight accurate to 1 foot per 100 yards; making TRACKMAN the most accurate radar technology on the planet. TRACKMAN is the ONLY radar technology on the market which tracks a ball in flight from start to finish. 

Every other radar on the market takes the first 18 inches of a shot and then extrapolates the shot thus creating a far less accurate measurement than TRACKMAN provides. Many devices provide swing speed or estimate the total distance of a shot, but no device in golf provides the amount of accurate data and feedback that Trackman does. Trackman is used by over 100 PGA Tour professionals including 3 of the 4 major winners in 2013 (as well as Tiger Woods and Rory McIlroy), all major manufactures to test their equipment and fit their players, and the PGA Tour to produce the majority of their statistics. 

How Does Trackman work? 

A player hits a shot and Trackman measures 26 individual parameters (seen below) giving the player valuable data regarding their flight and swing which when understood properly, can exponentially improve a players fundamental understanding of ALL the cause and effect relationships which exist in the golf swing. You can simply think of Trackman of advanced diagnostics for your golf swing. Trackman measures the club and ball data at an astounding 2000 Frames Per Second and provides data that is impossible to accurately determine with even the most high end video cameras. 

As you go through the process of beginning to understand the data and feedback which Trackman provides the better your foundation of knowledge will be when trying to assess what happened on each shot but more importantly knowing where your “miss” on the golf course comes from and how to correct it immediately. 

Trackman technology is currently available with lessons from Andrew Stephens and Sara Stephens, Trackman Certified Professionals.

Trackman Myths

Trackman makes lessons too complicated. 

FALSE.   Trackman simply reports data to the instructor. As a student, you should want your instructor to be an informed as possible regarding your golf swing. Without Trackman we are left only with educated guesses. Trackman has allowed me to become much more of a feel teacher because the only thing we focus on with trackman is impact and the flight of the ball. 

Trackman will give me too many swing thoughts or will make me too technical. 

FALSE . Trackman does nothing other than collect and report data. Trackman provides NO swing solutions or advice. How the data is used is completely instructor dependent. Students have the option to learn as much or as little about the technology as they wish. Some of my students learn as much as they can about their numbers, some choose to let me view the data and trust me to interpret it and apply it to their instruction. No matter how you choose to approach it, it will make golf simpler and take you to new levels with your golf game. 

Trackman tries to make everyone swing the same way. 

FALSE.   It’s impossible to tell the visual difference of Jim Furyk and Adam Scott hitting a 7 iron with Trackman. Both players produce world class impact, and that’s our only goal. You will learn how to feel your desired swing by using Trackman. Some players prefer to hit a fade, some a draw. Either way, we will utilize Trackman to learn how to create the impact conditions required to hit the desired shot. 

Utilizing Trackman within my instruction will make golf simpler, improve your ball striking, and allow you to have more fun….GUARANTEED! 

Trackman Fundamentals

Trackman measures 27 different data parameters that tell us everything that the golf club is doing through the impact zone and everything that the golf ball is doing in flight. Each parameter has value in our improvement process, but understanding Club Path and Face Angle is essential for the student to know why their golf ball flies the way it does, and how to change it while on the golf course. Below are explanations of Club Path and Face Angle. Also included is a video explaining how Club Path and Face Angle determine ball flight. For a full list of definitions of all of Trackman’s data parameters, click  here

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Trackman Test Center & Combine

Trackman not only provides ball and swing data, it allows a student the opportunity to test and hone their skills with test center and the combine. Test center is used to identify strengths and weaknesses in a player’s long game. Tests can be tailored cover shots ranging from 2o yards to tee shots. Many golfers do not know how far they actually hit the golf ball, and therefor costs themselves valuable strokes on the golf course by mis-clubbing. Test center will show us whether a student has a typical yardage miss, or whether there is a yardage range that needs improvement. Test center is particularly valuable with wedges. Even top level amateurs’ results typically suffer when they are asked to hit a wedge a less than full yardage. Test center allows us to monitor a student’s progress over time with concrete data.  We work to dial in distances with the scoring clubs using Trackman so that every yardage is a perfect yardage. 

 The Trackman combine is a standardized test with 60 shots ranging from 60 yards to tee shots. After completing the combine, the player will receive a full report of their data. Using mytrackman.com, the player can compare their scores to PGA Tour players as well as view a global leaderboard that features players of all ages and handicaps. If a player is a 10 handicap and has the goal to become a 5 handicap, we will look at a 5 handicap’s report online and identify areas that the student can improve to bridge the gap. The Trackman combine is a fantastic skills assessment and training exercise.

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European Tour player James Morrison and his coach Hugh Marr using Trackman Test Center.

Gaining Distance with Trackman

Every golfer wants to hit the ball farther. With Trackman we now can pinpoint a student’s optimal distance with each club based on their club head speed. Once we know that, we can then examine why a student may not be reaching their optimal distance. 

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2024 CJ Cup Byron Nelson leaderboard, scores: Jake Knapp in position for win No. 2 as Jordan Spieth misses cut

The pga tour rookie could become just the second player this season to win multiple times.

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A PGA Tour rookie looks for victory No. 2 heading into the weekend at the 2024 CJ Cup Byron Nelson. Jake Knapp takes a one-stroke lead over Matt Wallace and Troy Merritt into the second half of this tournament at 14 under after back-to-back rounds of 7-under 64. The Mexico Open winner has carded 15 birdies against just one dropped shot through his first 36 holes.

Although a rookie by name, Knapp should be comfortable in the spotlight over the next two days. He acquitted himself nicely in his breakthrough victory at Vidanta Vallarta in late February and should put this experience in contention to good use.

"Yeah, I feel comfortable," Knapp said. "You know, I've been there before. Even Farmers was around the lead and Cognizant was around the lead there. Courses like this where scores are going to be low, you don't worry too much about what other guys are doing. You try to make a bunch of birdies. You know, it's a course that fits me well, so if I just keep doing the things I'm doing, I'll be in a good spot."

Despite his silky smooth swing and effortless speed, Knapp has struggled since the Cognizant Classic, where he finished T4 the week following his win. He has failed to collect a top-40 result in his last five tournaments, but that may be chalked up to experiencing a number of firsts.

Coming into the year without major championship exemptions and status in signature events, Knapp changed all that in February. Since then, he has endured a busy two months by playing in the PGA Tour's flagship event, a couple of signature events, and even making the cut in his Masters debut.

"I think I just got a little tired," Knapp said. "I think, mentally, it was just a lot going on, and I wouldn't say necessarily life changing, just everything got busier and days got longer. It was just a bit of an adjustment. Didn't feel like I had the same energy throughout the day in some of those weeks, which was kind of a bummer. Decided to take last week off and give myself a good reset at home and work on some things I've been struggling with, and feel like it's working out this week so far."

Although a win on Sunday wouldn't be a personal first, it would make Knapp the first rookie since Xander Schauffele in 2017 to win multiple times on the PGA Tour. He'd also join Scottie Scheffler as the only other player to win more than once so far this season, which is pretty good company for a rookie in the year 2024.

1. Jake Knapp (-14)

Even though Knapp's game has dipped a little over the last two months, his iron play has not. The approach play is carrying him thus far; he gained north of five strokes with his irons through two rounds and shows no signs of slowing down. Combined with his length with the big stick, Knapp's long game will put ample pressure on his pursuers to keep tacking on birdies on what will be a wet and accessible TPC Craig Ranch. 

Long range birdie 🐦 @KnappTime_LTD reclaims the lead @CJByronNelson . pic.twitter.com/FcLQl5iBPq — PGA TOUR (@PGATOUR) May 3, 2024

Other contenders

T2. Matt Wallace, Troy Merritt (-13) 4. Kelly Kraft (-12) T5. Keith Mitchell, Taylor Pendrith,Davis Riley (-11) T8. S.H. Kim, Taiga Semikawa, Aaron Rai, Alex Noren, Keith Mitchell, Ben Kohles (-10) T13. Nick Dunlap, Si Woo Kim, K.H. Lee, Zach Johnson, Adam Schenk, Byeong Hun An and five others (-9)

There are names at that 9-under number, including Dunlap, Kim and two-time tournament winner Lee, but Johnson is an interesting inclusion. The 2023 U.S. Ryder Cup captain hasn't enjoyed the nicest couple of months after missing three straight individual cuts, lowlighted by the Masters, where he went viral for something not related to his game. Still, in his 500th PGA Tour start, the two-time major champion is in the thick of it and credits a hard-hat mentality for digging him out of the hole.

"I tell you, this is going to sound, well, cliché, but also my game has been good; I just haven't season results," Johnson said. "Very frustrated with lack of finishes. I've worked hard. My sole focus mid-to late fall last year to now has just been just, for lack of a better term, working in the dirt, and I believe my best golf is still coming. Whether it's this week or the next or the following, wherever it may be, I'm still so engrained in that process that I just have to remain patient. It's coming. The last two days were really good."

For his 500th career @PGATour start, the red pants, aka the salesmanship club, gifted Zach Johnson this cowboy hat. Giddyup! pic.twitter.com/t2yA6oQIqB — Adam Schupak (@AdamSchupak) May 3, 2024

Si Woo's scorcher

Last year's runner-up and one of this year's favorite, Si Woo Kim, was on the outside looking in for most of his second round. On the wrong side of the cut number, the South Korean needed a massive finish to secure a weekend tee time. He stood at 2 under for the tournament with 10 holes to play and got to 3 under courtesy of a birdie on his ninth hole, the par-5 18th. Kim remained on this number before rattling off five straight birdies and a closing eagle over his last six holes to play them in a 7-under fashion. He not only played himself into the weekend, but he played himself back into this golf tournament at 9 under.

Si Woo Kim’s last six holes: Birdie Birdie Birdie Birdie Birdie Eagle He jumped from T75 to T6 @CJByronNelson . pic.twitter.com/ud38j3UCKP — PGA TOUR (@PGATOUR) May 3, 2024

Jordan Spieth sent packing early

Between the withdrawals of Will Zalatoris and Sungjae Im before the tournament and now a missed cut from Spieth, the CJ Cup Byron Nelson will be without some star power over the weekend. Spieth opened his tournament with back-to-back darts on Thursday but was unable to recapture the magic with his approach play over the next 34 holes. He played the par 5s poorly, looked uncomfortable with certain lies in the fairway and never got running down hill. Spieth's nagging wrist injury does nothing to help, but it's clear there's a lack of quality in his game at the moment. In his last 8 starts, Spieth has: 

2024 CJ Cup Byron Nelson updated odds and picks

Odds via Sportsline consensus

  • Jake Knapp: 18/5
  • Matt Wallace: 7-1
  • Keith Mitchell: 10-1
  • Troy Merritt: 14-1
  • Alex Noren: 16-1
  • Taylor Pendrith: 18-1
  • Davis Riley: 18-1
  • Si Woo Kim: 20-1

Let's go off the beaten path and rock with Ben Griffin at 55-1. He has been hitting his irons great so far this week and looks to have turned the corner on the greens after a poor putting performance on Thursday. He sits five behind Knapp, which leads little room for error, but Griffin's number still looks a touch inflated.

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Jack Nicklaus chooses words carefully when speaking about Tiger Woods . When you’re No. 1 in majors won, like the Golden Bear , it’s a bad look, especially in a gentleman’s game, to even hint that No. 2 is anything but amazing.

So you talk up Tiger, even when he’s down. And he is down. At age 48 and worn through by injury, Woods no longer is a threat to win every tournament he enters. Or any tournament, period. At the Masters in April , he finished last among players who made the cut and looked old doing it.

Nicklaus knows the feeling. He turned 84 in January, but realized nearly 25 years ago that his days of contending in professional tournaments were over.

The Upper Arlington native, who famously won the 1986 Masters at age 46 to become the oldest winner of the green jacket, a title he still holds, was paired with Woods at the 2000 PGA Championship at Valhalla Golf Club in Louisville, Kentucky, which again hosts the major May 16-19. Jack was 60. Tiger 23.

Two days of watching Woods play a major championship he eventually won told Nicklaus everything he needed to know. 

“When you can’t compete.” Nicklaus said, explaining when he knew it was time to stick to recreational golf. “I knew that I was getting to where I couldn’t compete (and) it was brought to me very abruptly, in 2000 at Valhalla when I played with Tiger. I got done with those two rounds and, ‘Man, you need to pass the baton. You can’t compete in this anymore.’ I had realized that before, but that was boom, right in the face. Thirty-six holes of playing with him and seeing how well he played, how he just dominated what was going on, I did that earlier. But I don’t do it now.”

Father Time remains undefeated

Aging always wins. Bodies break down. Hand-eye coordination deteriorates. But it’s not just about reflexes. Willingness to take risks on the golf course wanes. A 23-year-old slams a putt 7 feet past the cup and thinks no big deal. Just make the next one. A 45-year-old facing the same situation gulps. 

Then there are the rigors of life that take their toll, even for millionaires who toil by hitting a little white ball. Family responsibilities increase. The passion for playing your sport 24/7 peters out.

It can be hard to stomach. It definitely is hard to watch, to be standing outside the ropes as legends slip into limping versions of their former selves. Jack has been there awhile. Tiger is edging near the cliff.

Fans too young to remember Woods in his prime see the current version and shrug, the way I did when Arnold Palmer stopped winning tournaments in the 1970s. Arnie became an ambassador, which is another way of saying his game went to seed. Ditto for those who marveled at the power of Nicklaus, fluid swing of Bobby Jones or precision of Harry Vardon.

Watching Woods wobble his way along the sloped terrain at Augusta National, hobbled by multiple injuries and accidents, including a single-car crash that nearly cost him his right leg in 2021, was another reminder that greatness lasts only on video replay. Woods’ lower right leg, held together by stainless steel hardware, precludes him from entering tournaments that test his balance by requiring him to walk 8 miles of tees, fairways and greens. It’s one of the reasons it remains doubtful he will play the Memorial Tournament June 6-9 at Muirfield Village, where the rolling topography tests stamina and leg strength.

Is Tiger Woods on his last leg(s)?

“Tiger has the ability to still play, but obviously doesn’t play as well as he did, and I think a lot of his is physical ailments,” Nicklaus said. “But I watched him hit balls, and he hits the ball pretty well. It’s just trying to keep his body together.

“I don’t know if he can walk 72 holes. He can be competitive for at least two rounds, because that’s what he did at Augusta. … If he can be competitive in the third, then certainly he can be competitive in the fourth.”

That is one former great sticking up for another, as well as No. 1 being gracious toward No. 2. 

At the height of their powers, the Bear and Tiger were beasts. Nicklaus struck such fear in many of his competitors that seeing his name appear on the tournament scoreboard was worth a stroke or two in his favor. He has 18 wins and 19 runners-up finishes in majors; imagine if he had turned even half of those seconds into firsts. 

Woods was otherworldly. His torrid run from 2000-2001 is the greatest stretch of golf ever played. His 82 career PGA Tour wins ties Sam Snead atop the list of all-time greats. His 15 majors place him second behind Nicklaus. I like to say Tiger is the best to ever pick up a golf club; Nicklaus is the game’s greatest champion.

“Life passes on and you get old and can’t do the things you used to do,” Nicklaus said, reflecting on what was and is. “I just think golf is an amazing sport, and we have the ability to play and compete as long as we do. And find lightning in a bottle occasionally, like I did in ’86.”

And like Woods did in 2019.

Even if the body is weak, the mind remains willing. Woods refuses to fully accept his lot in golfing life, that he has become a long shot where once he was a sure shot. 

And the competitive fire still burns in the Golden Bear, who this week made sure to mention that he could have made the cut at the 2005 British Open, at age 65, “but I just couldn’t make any putts the second round.”

Yes, the will to win remains strong.

I asked Jack, an avid fisherman, how much he wants to catch bigger fish than his buddies when out on the ocean. His list of fishing buddies, he pointed out, now includes Barbara, his wife. What she manages to reel in really gets his competitive juices flowing.

“She’s the one who catches all the big fish,” he said.

She landed a whopper almost 65 years ago. His name is Jack William Nicklaus. And over 18 holes, the Olden Bear can still beat golfers half his age. 

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The best golf clubs in moscow: luxury, exclusivity, and entertainment.

By Walter Raymond

February 24, 2015

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In Russia, the western concept of building architecturally beautiful golf courses filled with modern and luxurious amenities has found fertile ground. What was considered a frivolous pastime during the time of the Soviets has become the latest trend for the stylish set. These days, there are countless options around Moscow to practice golf, polo, ski, yachting, and other sports alongside 5-star hotels, luxurious country houses, and magnificent villas.

The game of golf is a sport that requires passion and expertise. It is also part of a culture that considers this pastime a synonym of social prestige and exclusivity. In recent years, the new Russian elite has turned to golf as a vehicle of integration in the era of globalization. Golf courses are also meeting and socializing spaces where Muscovite tycoons can relax and also seal business deals.

Golf Courses in Russia

The Moscow Country Club, Pestovo Golf & Yacht Club, Tseleevo Golf & Polo Club, and Zavidovo Golf Club, PGA National Russia are some of the most exclusive and elegant golf courses in Russia. Some of them have made it to the list of Top 15 golf clubs in the world, a source of great prestige for the country.

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The first 18-hole golf course built in Russia, Moscow Country Club, hosts the exclusive PGA European Tour. Located just eight miles from the city center, this luxurious facility was created by architect Robert Trent Jones Jr . The design takes advantage of a typical Russian birch and spruce forest to provide a natural environment of extraordinary beauty.

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The Pestovo Golf & Yacht Club is 18 miles from the heart of Moscow, close to historical monuments from the 17th and 18th centuries. Designed by famed architects Paul and Dave Thomas , this 18-hole course is part of a complex that includes a yacht club, an equestrian center, and a health and wellness facility. Pestovo Golf & Yacht Club is Russia’s version of a classic country club with multiple attractions.

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This park is among the best in Eastern Europe and was awarded the 2014 World Golf Award as the best golf course in Russia. Located 25 miles from Moscow, it is part of a vast complex featuring an 18-hole golf course, designed by Jack Nicklaus , a polo club and a mountain ski club with four tracks. The design combines classic Scottish, Alpine, and English features in a dreamy landscape.

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Less than 60 miles from Moscow, this golf course with a definite Scottish design is the only one in Russia recognized as a PGA (Professional Golfers’ Association) from Britain and Ireland. Located in an ecologically pristine area on the banks of the Volga River, the Zavidovo Golf Club embodies the spirit and appearance of the legendary Scottish golf courses. Its many springs and streams, hills, forests, swamps and lakes justify its reputation as a very demanding circuit. Last year, it entered the exclusive club of the 15 best golf courses in the world.   ■

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Rory McIlroy claims 25th PGA Tour victory, teaming with Shane Lowry to win Zurich Classic in a playoff

Rory McIlroy (left) and teammate Shane Lowry were all smiles after winning the PGA Zurich Classic golf tournament at TPC Louisiana in Avondale, La.

Rory McIlroy and Shane Lowry won the Zurich Classic of New Orleans team event Sunday, beating Chad Ramey and Martin Trainer with a par on the first hole of a playoff.

Trainer pushed a 6-foot par putt to the right of the cup to end it, with Lowry and McIlroy sharing a smiling embrace on the green.

The 34-year-old McIlroy, playing in the event for the first time, won his 25th PGA Tour title and first of the season. Lowry claimed his third PGA Tour victory.

The Irish tandem closed with a 4-under-par 68 in the alternate-shot final round to match Ramey and Trainer at 25-under 263.

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Ramey and Trainer began the day tied for 27th at 16 under and shot to the top of the leaderboard with nine birdies between the seventh and 18th holes. They tied the alternate-shot tournament record of 63, but then had to wait nearly three hours to see if their lead would stand up.

They struggled to execute on the playoff hole. Trainer pulled his drive into the left rough, Ramey also yanked his approach left off the cart path and into the wall below the suites around the 18th green. Trainer then chipped short before Ramey finally got his team on the green.

Lowry narrowly missed his mark twice on the playoff hole, putting an approach in a bunker and then leaving a birdie putt for the victory on the edge of the cup.

But Lowry came through when he had to on the 18th, forcing the playoff with a short birdie putt on the par-5 hole, capitalizing on McIlroy’s deft lofted chip from the apron that stopped close to the pin.

Ryan Brehm and Mark Hubbard were nearly in the playoff as well. Needing a birdie, they went long off the 18th green on their second shot. Hubbard’s chip up the back apron stopped short on the fringe, but Brehm still nearly sank a birdie putt from there, leaving the ball near the right edge of the cup as the crowd gasped. They finished third at 24 under.

Former BYU teammates Patrick Fishburn and Zach Blair, the leaders after three rounds, were still tied for the lead heading to 17, only to make a double bogey after Blair’s tee shot landed right of the green and Fishburn chipped short. They wound up in a four-way tie for fourth at 23 under.

Defending champions Nick Taylor and Adam Hadwin finished 10th after their final-round 71 left them at 21 under.

LPGA — Hannah Green won LPGA Tour’s JM Eagle LA Championship for the second straight year Sunday, holing out twice from off the greens in a pivotal back-nine stretch at challenging Wilshire Country Club in Los Angeles, Calif.

A year after making a 25-foot birdie on the final hole of regulation and winning on the second hole of a playoff, Green — with help from Maja Stark — took the late drama out of this one for her fifth LPGA Tour victory and second of the year.

“It’s really kind to me,” Green said about the course. “I felt like a couple times today almost got like a member bounce. I, obviously, really am fond of the golf club and joked that they didn’t approve it with me that they were making alterations. I love it here.”

Green closed with a 5-under 66 to beat Stark by three strokes. The 27-year-old Australian, also the winner early last month in Singapore, finished at 12-under 272 on the tree-lined layout with poa annua greens that become bumpy late in the day.

Green began the key run with a chip-in birdie on the par-3 12th and made a 6-foot birdie putt on the par-5 13th. Then, after Stark bogeyed the par-4 16th two groups ahead, Green ran in a 25-footer for eagle from the fringe on 15 to open a four-stroke lead, and made it 5 under in five holes with a birdie on 16.

“When I chipped in on 12 I kind of felt like I really snagged one there,” Green said. “I really like the 13th hole and also played the 15th really well. When I made eagle on 15 that kind of sealed the deal. I did see Maja got it to 9 under so I know what I needed to do. Usually, I make it really tricky on myself and only win by a shot.”

Stark finished with a 68, rebounding from the bogey on 16 to birdie the final two holes. The 24-year-old Swede also finished second last week outside Houston in The Chevron Championship, two strokes behind top-ranked Nelly Korda in the first major of the year.

LIV — Three-time PGA Tour winner Brendan Steele held off a fast finishing Louis Oosthuizen to win the LIV Golf Adelaide tournament at The Grange Golf Club in Australia by one stoke.

The 41-year-old Steele shot a final-round 68 Sunday for a 54-hole total of 18-under 198 to earn his first victory since he won his second Safeway Open in 2017 on the PGA Tour.

Steele had a streak of five consecutive birdies early in the round, before some putting jitters appeared in his back nine to open the door for a fast finishing pack of challenges including Oosthuizen, and former previous Masters winners Charl Schwartzel (64) and Jon Rahm (64).

“Yeah, I was telling myself that I knew there was going to be hard moments today regardless of the result and that I just needed to get back in there and start playing with freedom again,” Steele said moments after winning.

“And, and I was able to hit some good shots after that and write the show.”

South Africa’s Oosthuizen shot 65 to finish second at 17-under 199, and had drawn within one stroke of Steele late in Sunday’s final round, only for the American to make some clutch pars in the final holes to clinch victory.

Oosthuizen’s compatriot Schwartzel and Rahm were among a group of five players at 16-under 200, with Joaquin Niemann (66), Andy Ogletree (65) and Dean Burgmester (67) in a tie for third.

Former world No.1 Rahm had an eagle and six birdies in his 8-under 64 but had left too much ground to catch up on Steele on the final day to capture his first title since joining the LlV tour in December.

Last year’s winner Talor Gooch shot 70 and finshed in a tie for 26th at 10-under.

Champions — Stephen Ames celebrated his 60th birthday with a successful title defense in the Mitsubishi Electric Classic, closing with a 5-under 67 on Sunday for his eighth PGA Tour Champions victory.

A stroke behind Paul Broadhurst after matching the tournament record Saturday with a 64, Ames had two eagles in the final round. He won by four strokes, finishing at 14-under 202 at TPC Sugarloaf for his record third victory in the event.

Broadhurst, the 58-year-old Englishman coming off a victory last week in the Invited Celebrity Classic, closed with a 72 to tie for second with Doug Barron (69). K.J. Choi (70) and Steven Alker (71) were 9 under.

Jon Rahm – TrackMan Numbers

Jon Rahm – TrackMan Numbers

The 22 years old Jon Rahm, is one of the new upcoming stars on the European and PGA Tour. Jon has proven that he is able to compete at the highest level with 2 Top-3 finishes in the 2017 season. Distance is definitely one of his many strengths, have a look at the numbers below.

Jon Rahm - TrackMan Numbers - 9 Iron

Jon Rahm - TrackMan Numbers - 6 Iron

Jon Rahm - TrackMan Numbers - Driver

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I am guessing less than 30 degrees loft on his iron with the 6 stamped on it.

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@Chris Trunzer He actually plays a 31° 6 iron.

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Why is he so steep with the 9 iron?

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Downward AOA typically gets it high in the air to make it fall straight down like a marshmallow…

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Hi. I am new to the whole trackman stats and i just wanted to understand, why Jons Driver shot is curving to the left (-1.8)? Club Path is out to in -2.8 , Face to path is 1.7 open. Should ´nt it curve to the right? Or is it an off-center stroke (toe-hit) ? Thanks for your reply.

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Hi Manuel, You are right, it should have been a fade for him, but it’s almost straight or curving a bit to the left, which means impact is probably slightly towards the toe.

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I’d agree but you can freeze frame the video and it actually looks like it’s a slight heel strike (assuming videos are supposed to marry up with the figures)

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You don’t know where is the Center of gravity of the club. Maybe it’s not at the center ?

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The face is closed in relation to the path. If the face was open 2.8* it would be a straight push. If the face is 2.9 open or more it would start right and fade. Hope this helps

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It looks like the face-to-path is -1.1 degree, ie slightly shut producing a tight draw.

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can you include swing plane on these

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When I ,as a novice, compare numbers on trackman, watch ball strikers on video, in person and the range, it seems that the physical size (mass) of the golfer is a major factor.

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Ball flight, or the numbers don’t matter…

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Numbers defy common mathematical computation. A club head speed of 117 would at most translate to a distance factor of 2.4, given numbers tabulated by actual drives. Therefore, at 117 mph, carry distance would be 280.8. Actual distance is truly a factor of ball speed, since club head speed doesn’t always translate into the highest ball speed. However, given a factor of 1.64 of distance related to this ball speed of 175, the drive would travel 287. Nothing in measured distances gives a carry distance of 315. Minimum club head speed to carry a driver 300 is @ 125. Carry of 312 requires driver speed of 130.

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How does spin factor into your “authoritative” calculations?

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Definitely getting ball speed and distance confused. 1.5 is the theoretical limit for efficiency in a driver. 117 x 1.5 is 175.5 mph of ball speed, with 1600 spin, which may actually be a bit too low and a 14 degree launch, This shot is definitely capable of reaching 315 carry.

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