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Symptoms of bad IPR and ICP sensor

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Can anyone tell me the symptoms of each and how to trouble shoot? I have the location of the IPR and will be cleaning it tomorrow and is there anyway to tell if the ICP is bad. BTW, my truck sputters about 3 miles after driving it and eventually stalls; might start up and run like crap. Barely make it home stalling in the driveway.  

I know if you pull the ICP plug and it is covered in oil then it is bad or going bad.  

really need to location of the ICP sensor so i can fix it so if you have a picture/diagram that would be helpful PLEASE chime in  

Its on the L head ,,next to the lifting ring ,,three wire plug....  

You need to monitor your ICP and IPR Duty Cycle. 450-500 PSI of ICP to start, 550-750 to idle, and should ramp up into the 2,000's when getting on it. IPR DC should be around 11 or 12% at idle and ramp up as well into the 20's or 30's as you get on it.  

Hey when I replaced the icp sensor due to a code sayin it was bad I still experienced rough idle symptoms and when I unplug the icp sensor while its still running it will idle fine?? What could this indicate as being bad ? there was also one more sensor down in the front of the hpop in front of the cooling fan that when I took it out it was filled with sludge dirt like stuff I cleaned it out but there was soo much of it? What do you think this could mean?  

CapeCodF250PSD said: hey when i replaced the icp sensor due to a code sayin it was bad i still experienced rough idle symptoms and when i unplug the icp sensor while its still running it will idle fine?? what could this indicate as being bad ? there was also one more sensor down in the front of the hpop infront of the cooling fan that when itook it out it was filled with sludge dirt like stuff i cleaned it out but there was soo much of it? what do you think this could mean? Click to expand...

That sounds like you Exhaust Backpressure Sensor. It can get plugged and sometimes the tube from the ex. manifold to the sensor gets plugged also. I replaced my ICP also and my truck runs better when its unplugged. Looking forward to an answer.  

so is there a way to clean it or replace it and the tube the sensor seems like it went in the front of the hpop i looked at this a few weeks ago... we just replaced a valve cover harness the other night the cleared up the power issues (one of the plugs was undone) but it still has the rough idle... so even though i unplug the icp sensor you still think that the back pressure sensor is plugged?  

Maybe we are on different things. EBP sensor is on front of engine between fan and front of block. Is this what you are talking about.  

There is a link around here with a pic and labels.  

Yeah I just found it sounds like it could be an issue bec. we replaced the icp on the driver side head bec. it said it was bad if u unplug the icp it idles smooth how ever we did remove the ebp and looked at it it was completely clogged I just called my friend and I am gunna have him unplug it and let me know if it runs good again it sounds like it could be based on the symptoms I am seeing? Anything else u think might be wrong? thank you very much  

I'm having the same problem. Once the engine warms up I have a rough idle but it smooths out when I disconnect the ICP. I hooked up my programmer and it showed the injector pressure was low at idle once the truck had warmed up. I'm going to replace the IPR this weekend to see if that fixes the problem. If that doesn't work I may try replacing the injector o-rings. Somethings causing the idle pressure to be low - I figure it's either a sticking IPR or o-rings leaking.  

I replaced the IPR. Runs great now.  

My truck has the same symtoms, idles rough and when unplugging the ICP it smoothes out. I'm waiting on my ICP from ebay but sounds like this may not be the fix. How much $$ is the IPR and where is the best place to purchase?  

I picked up one on ebay (brand new/in box) for about $100.  

I have an early 99 7.3 which sounds like it misses, idles rough and when I get over 40mph or have low rpms it shakes the whole truck...I was also told to un plug the icp sensor..so I did and it ran fine..when I had it hooked up to a computer no codes ran through. I recently had my exhaust back pressure sensor replaced...it wasn't clogged...the tubing was broke off the sensor..people tell me its my injectors but I doubt it because my truck doesn't smoke or knock..I believe its my icp sensor and possibly the harness... if that sounds like the problem any advice would be great...instead of taking it to different shops and pay for a mechanic to guess like I have been..thanks  

I have exactly what you described...stared on the way home last night. If you unplugged the ICP sensor and it ran fine...isn't that the culprit? I too hooked up the AE reader to it and got no codes. Don't know enough about the program to figure out alternative ways to troubleshoot it...although when I looked for misfires it didn't pull up two cylinders.  

Check IPR duty cycle. I unplugged my ICP and my miss got worse. I didn't even try running it without the ICP. Connection at the ICP was dry.  

were is the ipr located  

on the drivers side of the fuel filter is the HPOP. It has 2 big lines coming off it, one to each head. On the rear of the HPOP, down low in the valley, is the IPR. It will have a 3/4" stamped steel nut on the back, a spacer, and then the IPR coil with a 2 wire connector. It is only a few inches away from the ICP sensor.  

i have 16000 psi when im geting on it what cause that im having the same proble when it gets hot it runs rough and shuts off  

Add to that owner’s manual and parts listings will always be as if you are in the seat facing forward.  

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Direct replacement for part number 4C3Z-9F838-A. Lifetime Warranty. The ICP sensor monitors the hydraulic pressure within the high-pressure oil system, providing crucial data for fuel injection timing and pressure regulation. OEM Compatibility: When selecting a replacement ICP sensor it is recommended to choose genuine OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturer) sensors or high-quality aftermarket options specifically designed for this engine model. Common Failure Symptoms: A faulty or failed ICP sensor in a 6.0 can result in issues such as hard starting, rough idling, loss of power, or even stalling. Prompt replacement is crucial to restore optimal engine operation. Remember to verify compatibility and quality when purchasing a replacement sensor, and consult with professionals if you are unsure about the installation process. Proper maintenance and timely replacement of the ICP sensor can help maintain the performance and reliability of your 6.0 Diesel

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ICP SENSOR 7.3 Injection Control Pressure Sensor SECRETS

Your ICP sensor – 7.3 Injection Control Pressure Sensor – continuously monitors your diesel engine’s oil delivery pressure.

The 7.3 ICP sends the current pressure reading to the Powertrain Control Module (PCM) which in turn signals the 7.3 Injection Pressure Regulator (IPR) to add or reduce pressure.

The three of them, along with the  7.3 HPOP , provide enough oil pressure to the oil rails so that when you press on the accelerator, your 7.3 injectors actuate, your engine gets diesel and the cylinders fire … ideally, as smoothly as possible.

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7.3 ICP Sensor Basics

Just what does the ICP sensor on a 7.3 Powerstroke do?

In a diesel engine as heavily-reliant on adequate and correct oil pressure as the 7.3 HEUI system is, the 7.3 PCM needs instant and accurate information on the amount of pressure in the 7.3 oil rails. This is so that the PCM can determine how much pressure, at any given second, to deliver to the injectors for maximum fuel firing efficiency.

Broken down, the 7.3 Injection Control Pressure sensor tells the PCM what the oil pressure is in the driver’s side oil rail. It uses a five volt signal and returns it to the PCM. This analog voltage signal to the PCM tells it how much pressure’s in the oil rails.

And in conjunction with the 7.3 IPR, HPOP, and PCM, the Injection Control Pressure Sensor on your 7.3 provides this pressure information feedback in a continuous loop.

Broken down and simplified, these are the four components on your 7.3 Powerstroke diesel that regulate oil pressure in order to accurately and efficiently actuate your injectors enabling them to fire and create combustion.

• 7.3 ICP – Injection Control Pressure SENSOR ( measures oil rail pressure in psi)
• 7.3 PCM – Powertrain CONTROL Module (send voltage signals to control oil pressure)
• 7.3 IPR – Injection Pressure REGULATOR (valve that plunges to physically create (regulate) oil pressure)
• 7.3 HPOP – High Pressure Oil PUMP (pump responsible for delivering the physical oil to the oil galleys and thus the oil pressure needed to actuate the injectors and ignite the fuel)

If, or should I say when , your 7.3 ICP fails, the PCM in your truck won’t know how much pressure’s in the oil rails and it won’t be able to regulate that pressure to efficiently actuate the injectors, resulting in poor engine performance.

What will actually happen is that it will get incorrect data from your 7.3 ICP and then deliver incorrect oil pressure, causing at best rough-running and at worst a no-start condition.

But let’s not get ahead of ourselves. 

ICP Sensor 7.3 Location

Just where is the ICP sensor on a 7.3 Powerstroke, anyway?

Your 7.3 diesel’s ICP sensor is located on the driver’s side cylinder head toward the front of the engine compartment … near the HPOP.

ICP Sensor 7.3 Location Diagram

7.3 ICP Sensor Symptoms

7.3 Powerstroke ICP sensor failure symptoms include:

• Rough or lugging idling
• Stalling, especially at a full stop

The worst symptom of a bad, i.e. failed, ICP sensor on your 7.3 is that your engine just won’t start at all.

But, to tell you the truth, so many failed parts on your 7.3 diesel cause the exact same symptoms that it’s hard to tell what’s not working.

Luckily, and if you have even an inexpensive ODBII scan tool combined with a free to cheap cell phone app, you can do some further ICP investigation.

If there’s oil on the sensor’s female plug receptacle, its leads, or around the pigtail connector male plug, you’ve got a failed ICP sensor.

7.3 ICP Sensor Symptom – CEL

If your Check Engine Light – CEL – comes on and you have a diagnostic tool to read the OBD-II trouble code, a code of  P2285 or related ICP codes P2283, P2284, P2286, and P2287 point to trouble in your 7.3’s ICP sensor electrical circuit or the sensor itself.

But before we get to scan tools, apps, and PIDs…

7.3 ICP Sensor Test

One quick way to diagnose a failed 7.3 ICP sensor is to lift the plastic clip on the wiring connector and remove the pigtail from the sensor. If there’s oil on the sensor’s plug receptacle, its leads, or around the pigtail connector, you’ve got a failed ICP sensor.

Here’s why.

As mentioned above, the 7.3 ICP sensor measures pressure from the oil rail. Over time, all that oil pressure on your ICP pushes and exerts force on the sensor’s internal components and plastic electrical connector housing. A couple hundred thousand miles of that and it’s bound to fail. When it does, the oil will cause bad electrical readings as well as corrode the sensor’s ability to send those signals.

Here’s how to further test ICP sensor 7.3 as the cause of whatever above symptoms your Powerstroke’s having.

With your engine running, pull the connector, disconnect your 7.3 ICP pigtail. This causes the PCM to deliver a default ICP value of 725 PSI at idle. As apposed to the stock setting of 500-550 PSI at idle. There should be a noticeable difference in idle when you unplug your ICP.

If you don’t feel a difference, your 7.3 ICP is most likely already running on this default setting. This could mean that your ICP is bad.

Now, some people do this, but I wouldn’t recommend running your 7.3 without ICP readings. The sensor’s there for a reason. Replace it if it’s bad.

7.3 ICP Pressure

7.3 injection control pressure pid.

If you have a scan tool you can view your 7.3 diesel’s various ICP pressure readings with the following PID.

• Short Name: ICP
• PID #: 221446

7.3 ICP Pressure Numbers

Here are some helpful numbers in diagnosing your 7.3 ICP pressure.

• Starting – A pressure of 500psi is the minimum required to start your 7.3 diesel
• Idle – Stock idle ICP pressure should be around 475psi on injectors with stock nozzles
• Maximum – ICP of 2700-2800psi is stock maximum
• Idle Default unplugged – 700 is 7.3 ICP sensor unplugged idle reading – default PCM value
• Cranking while unplugged – 2200psi is the 7.3’s ICP sensor unplugged while cranking

7.3 IPC pressure at idle

Warmed up, your 7.3 diesel’s ICP pressure at idle should be close to 480-500psi (for a 99-2003) with about 8-12% IPR duty cycle.

1994-1997 – 7 .3 ICP Pressure at Idle

• 7.3 ICP pressure at idle – 575-600psi
• IPR Duty Cycle – 11-14%

1999-2003 –  7.3 ICP Pressure at Idle

• 7.3 ICP pressure at idle– 475-490psi
• IPR Duty Cycle – 8-12%

7.3 ICP Pressure at Wide Open Throttle in Neutral

• 7.3 ICP pressure – 1100-1200psi
• IPR Duty Cycle – 18-21%

At WOT in neutral your 7.3 ICP should be – 1100-1200psi – With a caveat that after s/n 896812, after 3 minutes of WOT with no load, the number would be 1800psi. Because at WOT, your 7.3 ICP pressure number will spike and then level off if you stay on the throttle.

7.3 ICP Pressure During Hard Acceleration

• ICP – 2450-2700psi
• IPR – 35-40%

A good, healthy 1999-2003 7.3 HPOP can hold between 2800-3000psi during hard acceleration. A lot of 7.3s do just fine with an HPOP that produces 2600-2800psi.

And, if you’re a masochist…

7.3 Powerstroke ICP Voltage

If you’ve got an Auto Enginuity scan tool or SnapOn scan tool and want to get into the grit and grime of troubleshooting… Well, you’re either a tech or you seriously love troubleshooting. In any case, here are some numbers from the service CD on normal PSI, MPa – Megapascals, and 7.3 ICP Voltage.

7.3 Powerstroke ICP Sensor Part Number

I’ve had an aftermarket 7.3 ICP sensor in my 2002 Ford F250 7.3 for about 2 years, so it works for me. If you’re “OEM or death” and have the money, here’s an OEM one on Amazon .

7.3 ICP Part Numbers

OEM Ford 7.3 ICP Part Number –  F6TZ-9F838-A

International 7.3 ICP Part Number – 1807329C92

Interchangeable 7.3 ICP Part Numbers – F4TZ-9F838-A , F6TZ-9F838-A, 1807329C92, ICP102

OEM 7.3 ICP sensor

Given that an ICP sensor’s a pretty simple part, this 7.3 ICP sensor is OEM, it works, and will most likely get the job done with a minimum of headache.

Aftermarket 7.3 ICP Sensor

On the other hand, if you’re like me and are willing to roll the dice to save some dough, here are a couple of aftermarket 7.3 ICPs that should do the trick. Mine’s been in for a couple years now and still going strong. Knock on wood…

Aftermarket 7.3 ICP

Aftermarket 7.3 ICP with Pigtail

NOTE: I’ve got an enhanced AAA towing membership as insurance against my … “proclivity” to use aftermarket parts.

Just sayin’…

How to Replace ICP Sensor Ford 7.3

How to change the ICP sensor on 7.3 Powerstrokes.

• Step 1 – Disconnect both negative battery cables
• Step 2 – Remove the electrical 7.3 ICP pigtail connector from your ICP sensor. There’s a retaining clip that you need to lift up and pull up and away from the sensor.
• Step 3 – Using a 5/8″ crow’s foot wrench on the ICP sensor itself loosen the sensor and remove it. (This assumes your 7.3 ICP sensor has never been replaced and is the OEM sensor with the 5/8″ nut recessed from the body of the sensor)
• Step 4 – Spread some clean oil on the new ICP sensor’s o-ring and install it. The replacement ICP sensor takes a 1-1/16″ deep socket or wrench.
• Step 5 – Torque your new 7.3 ICP sensor to spec – 9 lb./ft. – 108 INCH pounds.
• Step 6 – If your ICP pigtail is coated with oil, cracked, or frayed replace it. (See 7.3 ICP Pigtail Replacement Below)
• Step 7 – Apply dielectric grease to your newly-replaced ICP sensor terminals.

7.3 Injection Control Pressure Sensor Change Video

7.3 icp sensor torque value.

9 lb./ft. – 108 lb./ INCH

7.3 ICP Sensor Pigtail

Icp pigtail 7.3 part number.

5C3Z-12224-A

7.3 ICP Pigtail Replacement

As you can see, the three wires on the replacement pigtail aren’t color-coded. So a “trick” I use is to remove, splice, and solder ONE WIRE AT A TIME, matching it to the same wire on the old pigtail as I go.

• Strip one of the pigtail wires
• Cut the corresponding wire on the old pigtail
• Strip the old pigtail about 1/2″
• Slip the heat shrink connector over one wire (I use heat shrink as I can never get the crimp connectors to work)
• Twist the two wires together
• Solder them
• Slip the heat shrink over the soldered wires
• Heat them with heat gun to tighten

7.3 ICP Sensor Summary

The ICP sensor on your 7.3 Powerstroke diesel is a pretty common failure item. When it does fail the good news is it’s relatively easy to diagnose, remove, and replace with a new part to get you and your 7.3 Powerstroke back on the road.

Oh, and don’t forget to check and replace the ICP pigtail if necessary.

I'm Steve. I've owned over a dozen diesel pickup trucks in my life and always worked on them myself. I'm the owner of Dead Head Diesel. I live in California. You know, the diesel "friendly" state.

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Celebrity's Journey to Moscow excursion

By psygist , March 7, 2012 in Northern Europe & Baltic Sea

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I will be in St. Petersburg in June on a Celebrity ship. Having been there previously, we would like to do the Journey to Moscow excursion. Celebrity lists it in the shore excursion brochure for my sail date, but it has not been available for booking on their website.

I have called Celebrity twice and both times was told that even though it is listed in the shore excursion brochure, it probably isn't being offered since it is not listed for pre-booking on the website. I have emailed Celebrity twice and received a different response. They responded that they were still working with the tour provider on the details and is not yet available for pre-booking.

Anyone have any experience with this that could offer some advice? It's frustrating that cruise line agents can be so misinformed and inconsistent in what they tell us.

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I will be in St. Petersburg in June on a Celebrity ship. Having been there previously, we would like to do the Journey to Moscow excursion. Celebrity lists it in the shore excursion brochure for my sail date, but it has not been available for booking on their website. I have called Celebrity twice and both times was told that even though it is listed in the shore excursion brochure, it probably isn't being offered since it is not listed for pre-booking on the website. I have emailed Celebrity twice and received a different response. They responded that they were still working with the tour provider on the details and is not yet available for pre-booking. Anyone have any experience with this that could offer some advice? It's frustrating that cruise line agents can be so misinformed and inconsistent in what they tell us.

Having done this one-day trip to Moscow and back on another cruise while in St. Petersburg, I might be able to share some insight. First, from dealing with some Celebrity folks about Europe options, certain of them are limited in their personal experiences and knowledge about this part of the world. Shouldn't be this way, but it is. They know more on the familiar Carib options as that is what is both closer and for which they get more of their calls/question. If they haven't done it, nor is is clear on their computer screen, they can't be of much help.

Second, that excursion to Moscow has been "evolving" during the past few years as they have switched from doing it by air flights to connection by high-speed rail. On trips like this one that is more costly and highly specialized, you will probably need to "press and push" to reach someone who is more likely to know this somewhat of a "needle in the haystack".

It's sad that you've gotten the "run-around", but sometimes the staff is not as informed and experienced as you would like, expect and need.

Do you need any background info for what you would see and do in Moscow , how it works, etc.???

THANKS! Enjoy! Terry in Ohio

Did a June 7-19, 2011, Solstice cruise from Barcelona that had stops in Villefranche, ports near Pisa and Rome, Naples, Kotor, Venice and Dubrovnik . Enjoyed great weather and a wonderful trip. Dozens of wonderful visuals with key highlights, tips, comments, etc., on these postings. We are now at 68,189 views for this live/blog re-cap on our first sailing with Celebrity and much on wonderful Barcelona. Check these postings and added info at:

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What you said makes perfect sense. Thanks.

I also looked into doing this tour privately, but one tour provider informed me there were no available trains or planes to fit my ship's time in port. We will be there on a weekend so its possible that transportation does not run as frequent. I just wish Celebrity could get their act together and tell me definitively whether they will be offering the Moscow excursion.

Terry, What you said makes perfect sense. Thanks. I also looked into doing this tour privately, but one tour provider informed me there were no available trains or planes to fit my ship's time in port. We will be there on a weekend so its possible that transportation does not run as frequent. I just wish Celebrity could get their act together and tell me definitively whether they will be offering the Moscow excursion. Paul

If your cruise puts you into St. Petersburg on a weekend, that could be another complicating factor. Openings at certain places, rail schedules, etc., could be different for some days of the week. It is possible to do the Moscow trip by some private tour companies, but if there are any weather and/or scheduling complications, that could make things more difficult. Doing it through the cruise ship, makes it "their" problem, not yours!!

Doing the one-day trip to Moscow is very interesting and special. Lots of cruise lines do it now and have the practice down to a "science". BUT, that weekend timing could be delaying their finalization some on schedules.

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I will be in St. Petersburg in June on a Celebrity ship. Having been there previously, we would like to do the Journey to Moscow excursion. Celebrity lists it in the shore excursion brochure for my sail date, but it has not been available for booking on their website.   I have called Celebrity twice and both times was told that even though it is listed in the shore excursion brochure, it probably isn't being offered since it is not listed for pre-booking on the website. I have emailed Celebrity twice and received a different response. They responded that they were still working with the tour provider on the details and is not yet available for pre-booking.   Anyone have any experience with this that could offer some advice? It's frustrating that cruise line agents can be so misinformed and inconsistent in what they tell us.

I was able to book this for a June cruise in the past few days. If you look carefully in the fine print for the excursion, I believe it is because you have to begin the online check-in process since they need your passport/ID information before you can book this excursion. Try to do as much of the online check-in as you can, and I think it should appear for purchase.

It would be nice to know what the actual schedule for the Moscow excursion is. I don't believe it is actually 18.5 hours, but that is just to make sure that you can't book anything else on that day.

I was finally able to book the tour online. They just made it available for online booking the other day. I sure hope they reach the minimum number of guests so it isn't cancelled.

Not sure why it leaves at 9:30. If it indeed is an 18.5 hour tour, we won't get back until 4 am.

I was able to book this for a June cruise in the past few days. If you look carefully in the fine print for the excursion, I believe it is because you have to begin the online check-in process since they need your passport/ID information before you can book this excursion. Try to do as much of the online check-in as you can, and I think it should appear for purchase.   It would be nice to know what the actual schedule for the Moscow excursion is. I don't believe it is actually 18.5 hours, but that is just to make sure that you can't book anything else on that day.

It looks like Celebrity edited the description to say that, for those excursions on a weekend, the actual tour will be shortened by about 2 hours due to less traffic on a weekend.

Terry (or anyone who has been on the Journey to Moscow excursion before):

Can you give me a little detail on the itinerary? The tour description says that we will have a walking tour of Red Square and the Kremlin, as well as visits to the Armoury and one of the Kremlin cathedrals. Was wondering what other Moscow sights we will get to see. Or will the rest be in the form of a panoramic bus tour? Any opportunity for souvenir shopping?

Thanks for any insights you can offer.

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This was just cancelled for my cruise :( Didn't meet the minimum number of people interested in going.

There might be some options through private tour companies. We used Anastasia for our part in St. Petersburg, but she is doing these Moscow arrangements for friends, two couples, from here in Central Ohio, in late June. I would contact a couple of key, experiences firms such as Anastasia, see what she and others can offer to make this one-day train trip over and back.

Did a June 7-19, 2011, Solstice cruise from Barcelona that had stops in Villefranche, ports near Pisa and Rome, Naples, Kotor, Venice and Dubrovnik . Enjoyed great weather and a wonderful trip. Dozens of wonderful visuals with key highlights, tips, comments, etc., on these postings. We are now at 82,951 views for this live/blog re-cap on our first sailing with Celebrity and much on wonderful Barcelona. Check these postings and added info at:

For details and visuals, etc., from our July 1-16, 2010, Norway Coast/Fjords/Arctic Circle cruise experience from Copenhagen on the Silver Cloud, check out this posting. This posting is now at 70,872 views.

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Which sailing are you on that the Moscow excursion was cancelled? I booked it for my Eclipse cruise June 23 sailing and haven't heard anything

• 2 months later...

soakedbythesea

You have probably figured out now that not only excursions, but many other things aboard ship are misleading, if not downright fraudulent. The ship crew, staff and clerks are all going to do pretty much what they want to, but not only on the Royal Caribbean's Celebrity brand, but almost all cruise ships - the captain can almost get away with murder. Aren't you glad you don't have to work on one of these vessels? Also make sure you don't get involved in any type of dispute, as even some crime gets swept under the ship - well, not all, like the Costa that crashed & tipped over, but not sure even then much will happen, as all passengers signed all their rights away before they got on board.

Hope you have enjoyed your cruise by now and maybe look back here on the board. About the only way to get any knowledge about the ships, excursions, etc. is through sites like this.

As we are sailing a year from now on Celebrity Constellation - Aug 12, we were wondering too about shows aboard, excursions (both ship and private), if you ever got to Moscow, etc. Please write to us at:

john at shifferds dot com - thanks

• 5 months later...

Ywlke,   Which sailing are you on that the Moscow excursion was cancelled? I booked it for my Eclipse cruise June 23 sailing and haven't heard anything

We will be in St. Petersburg in July and want to take Celebrity's tour to Moscow. Please let us know if you liked it or not and how long it was. This is going to be our second time in St. Petersburg but will like to take a private tour on day #2. Did you do something the day after your Moscow tour? We are traveling with our teenagers and worry about them being too tired :rolleyes:

• 6 months later...

Kevin's girl

I thought I would bump this up. We will be on the Brilliance this time next year and are very interested in doing this our. Are there still people out there that have done it? I would love to hear what you thought of the tour, the travel part and what you were able to see while in Moscow. Was it worth the price?

I thought I would bump this up. We will be on the Brilliance this time next year and are very interested in doing this our. Are there still people out there that have done it? I would love to hear what you thought of the tour' date=' the travel part and what you were able to see while in Moscow. Was it worth the price?[/quote'] We just did this tour and really liked it, but this was our second time in St. Petersburg. If this is your first time there I don't know if it's the best choice. You spend most of the day in airports and buses. Our meeting time at the ship was 6:45 AM, followed by a 45 min. long drive to the airport. Then we had to wait for a 10:00 AM one hour flight to Moscow. As you can see we arrived after 11:00 AM followed by another 30 minutes ride to the city. We were taken to the Red Square, to take a subway ride, followed by a coffee and tea break, then to the Kremlin armory museum (where we spend most of our time), also visited the Cathedral of the Annunciation, and back to the Red Square. Were only given half hour for shopping, followed by a really long dinner at a local restaurant. Our flight back to St. Petersburg departed half hour late, arriving at 11:30 PM. It took a while for the bus to pick us up, another 45 min. drive to the port and we were at our rooms by 1:00 AM. This means that if you want to see St. Petersburg the next day, you are going to be really tired. BTW, I'm not complaining, this tour was so popular on our cruise that they had two groups for the first time. Most of my friends were on that group and they had the worst time. Their flight left earlier than ours and although they were taken to more places than us, they ended up on a later flight and arrived in St. Petersburg after 12:30 AM. The problem was that the tour company knew that they were not going to make it on time to the bridges that connect the city to the area where the ship docks. The elevated bridges go up at 1:30 AM in the morning and are taken back after 5:00 AM. Can you believe that our tour guide made fun of the fact that the other bus was not going to make it on time? It was really frustrating for them to watch the bridges go up in front of their eyes. They finally found online a bridge that goes down for periods of 15 min. and were able to go back to the ship after 3:00 AM. Some of them couldn't make it to their tours the next day. Remember, this is Russia, if you don't make it to your tour the next day, you won't be able to leave the ship. My friends tried to take a taxi and catch up with us, but their visa stated a 9:00AM pick up time and had to stay on the ship. We liked our tour, but it is up to you to decide if it's worth it. The time that you actually spend in Moscow is really limited. If by any chance you are given a late flight on your way back, start screaming and demand an earlier flight. The tour company hired by Celebrity is going to buy the cheapest flights to make more money. Just my two cents. I tried to research this tour before our cruise and didn't find too much information. Hope this helps. BTW, I was concern about the planes used for the flights, if you are too, don't be. The flight was great and were even given a sandwich with juice or water. I do have to say that we felt that we were on a PanAm 1970's flight. The attendants were all really young, skinny and beautiful, wore heavy make up and complicated hair styles. I was also not impressed by either St. Petersburg or Moscow's airports. No restrooms close to the gates, two flights leaving at the same time through the same gate, just a mess!! Before our tour I couldn't understand how Edward Snowden could hide for such a long time on an airport, after visiting Moscow's international airport it just made sense. Hope you enjoy your Baltic cruise.

Thanks for the details. I was quite curious about it. Unfortunately it doesn't sound like you got to see so much there. Fortunately as you say it was your second time in SPB, so you can compare and see the differences between the cities. They are very different.

On our Celebrity cruise, it was sold out, but I didn't come across anyone who took the tour to find out their experiences.

drarill, I had to laugh at the comment about how Snowden was able to hide in the airport ... I had wondered the same thing, but now we know!! LOL

We just did this tour and really liked it, but this was our second time in St. Petersburg. If this is your first time there I don't know if it's the best choice. You spend most of the day in airports and buses. Our meeting time at the ship was 6:45 AM, followed by a 45 min. long drive to the airport. Then we had to wait for a 10:00 AM one hour flight to Moscow. As you can see we arrived after 11:00 AM followed by another 30 minutes ride to the city. We were taken to the Red Square, to take a subway ride, followed by a coffee and tea break, then to the Kremlin armory museum (where we spend most of our time), also visited the Cathedral of the Annunciation, and back to the Red Square. Were only given half hour for shopping, followed by a really long dinner at a local restaurant. Our flight back to St. Petersburg departed half hour late, arriving at 11:30 PM. It took a while for the bus to pick us up, another 45 min. drive to the port and we were at our rooms by 1:00 AM. This means that if you want to see St. Petersburg the next day, you are going to be really tired. BTW, I'm not complaining, this tour was so popular on our cruise that they had two groups for the first time. Most of my friends were on that group and they had the worst time. Their flight left earlier than ours and although they were taken to more places than us, they ended up on a later flight and arrived in St. Petersburg after 12:30 AM. The problem was that the tour company knew that they were not going to make it on time to the bridges that connect the city to the area where the ship docks. The elevated bridges go up at 1:30 AM in the morning and are taken back after 5:00 AM. Can you believe that our tour guide made fun of the fact that the other bus was not going to make it on time? It was really frustrating for them to watch the bridges go up in front of their eyes. They finally found online a bridge that goes down for periods of 15 min. and were able to go back to the ship after 3:00 AM. Some of them couldn't make it to their tours the next day. Remember, this is Russia, if you don't make it to your tour the next day, you won't be able to leave the ship. My friends tried to take a taxi and catch up with us, but their visa stated a 9:00AM pick up time and had to stay on the ship. We liked our tour, but it is up to you to decide if it's worth it. The time that you actually spend in Moscow is really limited. If by any chance you are given a late flight on your way back, start screaming and demand an earlier flight. The tour company hired by Celebrity is going to buy the cheapest flights to make more money. Just my two cents. I tried to research this tour before our cruise and didn't find too much information. Hope this helps. BTW, I was concern about the planes used for the flights, if you are too, don't be. The flight was great and were even given a sandwich with juice or water. I do have to say that we felt that we were on a PanAm 1970's flight. The attendants were all really young, skinny and beautiful, wore heavy make up and complicated hair styles. I was also not impressed by either St. Petersburg or Moscow's airports. No restrooms close to the gates, two flights leaving at the same time through the same gate, just a mess!! Before our tour I couldn't understand how Edward Snowden could hide for such a long time on an airport, after visiting Moscow's international airport it just made sense. Hope you enjoy your Baltic cruise.

Thank you for posting your experience. You have given me a lot to think about. It just seemed like a good idea, now I need to think really hard about it. I would hate to have our second day messed up in SPB.

We did Celebrity's Journey to Moscow excursion in July 2012. We had been to St. Petersburg before so decided to do something different. Interestingly, this excursion had been cancelled on some of the previous cruises that summer as a result of not enough people signed up. There were about 20 people on our excursion.

In a nutshell, I recommend the excursion and would do it again, but there are some caveats:

1. I would probably not go to Moscow if this was my first time visiting St. Petersburg. SP is full of wonderful sites so I would spend my two port days there seeing all the city sites, including the Hermitage, as well as visiting one of the palaces outside the city.

2. If you go to Moscow and plan on taking a tour in SP the next day, be aware (as someone else posted) that the tour returns to the ship very late and you might have difficulty getting up early enough the next morning for your SP tour. Our flight didn't land back in SP until after midnight and we were unable to cross the bridges before they rose. We didn't return back to the ship until after 2am, but because we anticipated that this might happen, we booked an afternoon private car in SP. We actually ended up enjoying being out late in SP with the bridges up as our bus and guide drove us around the city late at night and it was a surreal experience, especially during the white nights of summer.

3. We thought the time in Moscow could have been better organized, allowing us more time to see Red Square and the Kremlin buildings, but we were prevented from doing so due to horrendous traffic around Moscow, a very long-winded local tour guide, and too much time spent stopping for a coffee break (which was entirely unnecessary IMO). We also had almost no time to shop and the time spent in Red Square was much too short. Again, I mostly blamed this on our guide who talked too much rather than allowing us free time to wander around. I ditched the guide and our group before we were actually dismissed for free time so that I could wander around Red Square and make a few purchases from a street artist (local art and crafts on the street are of high quality and inexpensive IMO).

4. The dinner, while served in a beautiful, elegant setting, was mediocre at best. Lots of alcohol, but I've had better beef stroganoff in a school cafeteria.

Having provided you with these caveats, I still would take the tour again. It was a fascinating and magical experience. From the very interesting airport and airplane experience, to having the opportunity to visit the Kremlin sites and Red Square, it was worth it for us. It was a whirlwind of a tour, lasting about 18 hours from the time we left the ship until we returned.

I hope this helps others make a decision about this tour.

• 3 years later...

I was finally able to book the tour online. They just made it available for online booking the other day. I sure hope they reach the minimum number of guests so it isn't cancelled.   Not sure why it leaves at 9:30. If it indeed is an 18.5 hour tour, we won't get back until 4 am.

We are on May 21, 2017 Eclipse and want to do the same tour.

There are several trains per day even on weekends and holidays. If it is the weekend I would say you are better off flying as traffic will be a little better than on a weekday especially in the morning. There are probably several flights an hour. The train is modern and comfortable but not especially scenic.

Since you need a visa anyway you could also consider arranging a Moscow tour guide to meet you at the airport and arrange your own transport to Moscow. An airport taxi should be easy to arrange in St Petersburg or use Uber. Aeroflot tickets are easy to buy online.

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