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Mazda Miata Cruise Control Kit (1990-2005) Miata NA/NB Rostra Cruise Control

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• Universal cruise control kit that fits all Miata NA/NB
• Works with manual or automatic transmissions
• Includes Cruise Control Switch (Left Mounted)
• Use CLUTCH DISENGAGEMENT SWITCH (Kit# 250-4206) for manual transmission vehicle when the Dark Blue TACH wire cannot be obtained from vehicle or fails to disengage the GlobalCruise.

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The Rostra Cruise Control kit is designed to add a cruise control system to those vehicles which did not come with one from the factory.  You can set your desired speed by using the Rostra cruise control switch that is steering column mounted.  Once you set your speed, the Rostra cruise control measures engine load and vehicle speed to ensure your car stays cruising at the desired speed.  You can slow down or accelerate from your cruise by using ths switch for ease of use. The cruise controls feature set speed, tap up/tap down (1 mph per tap), coast/reduce speed, resume/accelerate, and controlled resume rate.

While most of our customers install these aftermarket kits themselves, we recommend professional install of this cruise control system.

Rostra has been manufacturing these cruise control units for years, and is an ISO9001 certified company that has proven to be one of the largest manufactures of cruise controls in the United States.

Rostra Cruise Control Features:

• 3 Year / 36,000 Mile Warranty from Rostra
• Slow down or accelerate without the pedal
• Increase comfort and reduce fatigue while driving
• Includes full color illustrated installation manual
• Built in an ISO9001 Quality Certified facility

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The PRECISION CRUISE CONTROL MAZDA MX-5 is an Original Equipment quality, retrofit Cruise Control System. This particular system is compatible with the following vehicles:

          Mazda MX-5   2005 - 2008 (Universal Stalk or OE Steering Buttons Options)

          Mazda MX-5   2009 - (Universal Stalk or OE Steering Buttons Options)

PRECISION CRUISE is a retrofit electronic cruise control system that provides all the functionality and convenience of Original Equipment systems, along with many enhanced features. This unit comes pre-programed for your specific vehicle and the full vehicle compatibility list can be found under the compatibility tab above.

Luxury and Convenience

Our PRECISION CRUISE Control Systems take all the stress and frustration out of long distance travelling. Simply activate the Cruise Control and remove your foot from the accelerator pedal for a much smoother and more comfortable driving experience. Should you wish to increase or decrease your speed to suit driving conditions or traffic flow speeds, the cruise control provides the option to increase or decrease your speed by pressing the respective button on the cruise control arm.

Dual Memory Settings

The PRECISION CRUISE Control System features the ability to preset two Cruise speeds in the Cruise memory. This enables you to drive at your most commonly used cruise speeds at the touch of a button, without having to drive to the desired speed first.

Original Equipment Quality Equipment

All of our Cruise Contol Equipment is OE Quality and comes complete with a 'Plug n Play' Pedal Harness to reduce Installation time and cost. Our Universal Cruise Arm (pictured) is an OE Quality Cruise Arm with all the required functionality and performance of original equipment systems. However, there is also the option on certain vehicles to incorporate the Original Equipment Cruise Control Switch for an even more professional installation.

Independent Speed Limiting

The Cruise Control also features the option of setting an Independent Speed Limit. This is controlled via the Universal Cruise Arm and can be activated to prevent the driver from speeding in areas where speed limit restrictions are enforced. The Cruise control can still be used independently below this limit. Please note that this facility is not available on vehicles where the Original Equipment Cruise Switch has been installed.

Reduces the Risk of Speeding Fines

Recently, there has been a dramatic increase in the number of speed cameras and police surveillance equipment on the roads. Using the PRECISION CRUISE enables the driver to mainatain a safe (and legal) speed limit without the worry of being penalised.

Driving Optimisation and Fuel Saving

When the Cruise Control is activated, the vehicle speed is regulated more than 50 times per second, optimising driving performance. This in turn can also reduce fuel and transportation costs without comprimising vehicle performance.

Installation Service

We also provide a full installation service of all our PRECISION CRUISE SYSTEMS. Please contact us directly to arrange a quotation and book an appointment.

PLEASE SELECT YOUR VEHICLE IN THE BOX ABOVE SO THAT WE CAN PROVIDE YOU WITH THE CORRECT SYSTEM. PLEASE CONTACT US DIRECTLY IF YOU DO NOT SEE YOUR VEHICLE ON OUR COMPATIBILITY LIST AS WE MAY BE ABLE TO PROVIDE A SOLUTION FOR YOU.

Due to the unique nature of this product, certain vehicles may incur a lead time for despatch and next day delivery may not always be available.

The PRECISION CRUISE comes complete with a Universal Cruise Arm that can be installed on the steering column. Most kits also come with a ready made 'Plug n Play' pedal harness for easy installation

Full, vehicle specific, Installation Instructions will be provided with each Cruise Control System purchased.

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Cruise Control for Mazda MX5 Miata

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The 250-9607 is a complete upgrade Cruise Control kit from Rostra for the 2006-2015 Mazda Miata, automatic and manual transmission . Easy to follow instructions are included and also provided below. Installation is easy with little to disassemble. The cruise control handle installs on the steering wheel cover, normally on the left hand side.

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Electronic Cruise Control Switch

This is a universal cruise control switch that mounts on the left hand side of the steering column. It has a green L.E.D on/off indicator light as well as seperate on/off, set and resume buttons. This is the most popular cruise switch when installing cruise into the newer vehicles that have a plastic shroud around the column.

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Mazda Miata Cruise Control Kit (1990-2005) Miata NA/NB Cruise Control

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• Fits all Miata NA/NB
• Works with manual or automatic transmissions
• Includes Cruise Control Switch (Left Mounted)

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If you do not have a Factory OEM cruise control for your 1990 to 2005 Mazda Miata, our kit is a great way for you to get all of the cruise control features with a clean factory look.  These Rostra cruise control units have been tested to work perfectly on Miatas and come with an incredible warranty.  

While many of our customers do install this themselves, we do recommend to take this kit to a professional for install.

• Coast/Reduce Speed
• Resume/ Accelerate
• Tap-Up, 1 MPH per tap
• Tap-Down, 1 MPH per tap
• Controlled Resume Rate
• Closer, More Accurate Control of Set Speed

These come with a 3 year / 36,000 mile warranty against manufacturer defects when purchased through Roadster360.

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I thought about it when I saw some steering controllers on eBay once. I can't see it being that simple though. You'd need some sort of brain / box somewhere along the line between the ecu and the controls.  

Its a pretty complex system adjusting throttle etc.  

I'd normaly agree, but look a the Mazda 3 link in my first post, I could not belive it could be that easy  

I had a quick look into this when I bought my Mk3. Cruise control was one of features that I really wanted, bit didn't want to stretch my budget to a mk3.5 I couldn't find any examples of people retrofitting it to a mk3. From what I remember, the Mazda 3 approach won't work on a mk3 - none of the control electronics is in the car. You might be able to use this approach to fit cruise to a bog standard 3.5. Note: the above comments are based on a small amount of googling. I wasn't able to confirm or deny the information that I'd read.  

I asked the question on miata.net a while back iirc and they also said the electrics were not all present.  

Adding factory cruise control to a VAG car that has a fly-by-wire throttle and was manufactured in the last 8 years or so is usually cheap and easy.  

niggle said: Adding factory cruise control to a VAG car that has a fly-by-wire throttle and was manufactured in the last 8 years or so is usually cheap and easy. Click to expand...

IIRC some Skoda dealers were doing the upgrade for as little as £50 + labour. Basically a replacement indicator stalk and ECU config to register the new stalk on the CAN bus.  

You would still need the controls on the steering wheel. Maybe if you already have them on a wheel it may be an easy fix. Be sure to let us know when you've found out. I haven't heard of anyone doing this mod but I'm sure if its possible the dealers will do it.  

niggle said: IIRC some Skoda dealers were doing the upgrade for as little as £50 + labour. Basically a replacement indicator stalk and ECU config to register the new stalk on the CAN bus. Click to expand...

If you can get the right packets of data into the stream you can get a CAN bus system to do pretty much anything. It'd need specific programming for the FBW throttle circuit. Then you'd have to have a trigger from the brake light switch to disconnect etc. The Speed sensor would need tapping into too. The NC1 hasn't got the 'brains' built-in so a specific after-market cruise module, programmed for the car, would have to do all of the work, a bit like the power top module. There isn't a Mazda stalk available and retro-fitting the steering wheel panel might prove very difficult.. So, not easy, which is why it's not cheap. These use their own stalk: http://www.conrad-anderson.co.uk/products/view/cc174455103/wizard:cruise-control  

The OEM cruise uses the clutch sensor too - change gear and the cruise switches off. More modern cars will allow you to gearshift without touching the throttle pedal. It also uses the brakes to slow the cat down if you press the '-' button. Whether it does this via the TC controller or it not is your guess. If you're really serious about doing this then ask Rodders if you can buy the cruise module from a racecar (assuming that it isn't built in to the ECU/PCM).  

If it needs a load of work to do I'll make sure the car I buy already has it, just the Mazda3 install is ridiculously simple...  

stuartb said: niggle said: IIRC some Skoda dealers were doing the upgrade for as little as £50 + labour. Basically a replacement indicator stalk and ECU config to register the new stalk on the CAN bus. Click to expand...

niggle said: CAN is essentially multicast. It is a multi-drop serial BUS in the same vein as preceeding industrial serial standards such as RS-485. Bus arbitration for the right to transmit is achieved by collision detection and message priorities. All receiving nodes on the CAN bus receive all messages, they simply choose to ignore any messages not relevant to themselves. Click to expand...

stuartb said: niggle said: CAN is essentially multicast. It is a multi-drop serial BUS in the same vein as preceeding industrial serial standards such as RS-485. Bus arbitration for the right to transmit is achieved by collision detection and message priorities. All receiving nodes on the CAN bus receive all messages, they simply choose to ignore any messages not relevant to themselves. Click to expand...

It's packets of data in a stream, serial. Each packet of data has a header with address etc. then the actual data itself. Everything is connected to everything else on the system. Each Component has an address and they react to the addressed data being sent to them (ignoring everything else), they then send back packets that confirm receipt, alter data in the return packets to show on/off (bulbs), or a variable which corresponds to speed, temperature, what position they are in (motor) or whatever. The signal in the packets is still basically PWM though, just a clever version with addressing/altered return data, and speed. The real benefit of CAN is the much smaller size of wiring looms these days, you only need 3 wires to every component for it to work: Power, Ground and Signal.  

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Mazda MX-5 ND 2015- Aftermarket Cruise Control Kit

Vehicle Specific Cruise Control for Mazda MX-5 ND 2015-

Cruise Control: Elevate your driving experience with our advanced cruise control system.

• Maintain a steady speed effortlessly • Set custom speed limits for safety • Prevent exceeding preset speed limits • Vehicle Specific for Easy Installation • Pre-programmed for compatibility • Upgrade to CM5 command modules • No impact on vehicle warranties

Contact us today for a safer and more comfortable ride!

Installation – what to expect:

• Average installation time – 3+ hours

£ 467.00 Original price was: £467.00. £ 398.73 Current price is: £398.73.

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Cruise control is an essential product that improves driver comfort and vehicle safety for passengers. This system not only maintains a steady speed at the touch of a button but also acts as a driver-set speed limiter where drivers can choose a maximum speed according to road conditions, allowing the vehicle to be driven at any speed below the set limit. Additionally, it features a top-end speed limiter that sets a maximum speed limit upon installation and prevents the vehicle from being driven above that speed. Having a cruise control system installed in your vehicle is highly recommended. If you’re wondering how to purchase and install one, it typically takes about 2-4 hours to install depending on the make, model, and year of your vehicle. However, some vehicles may take longer to install depending on their physical and electronic accessibility.

What’s included in the box:

• Cruise control computer: This computer is pre-programmed specifically for your vehicle, ensuring compatibility and optimal performance.
• Computer wiring loom: This wiring loom provides power to the cruise control computer and also connects to your vehicle’s speed pulse, brake switch, clutch switch or CANBUS connection. It ensures seamless integration of the cruise control system with your vehicle’s existing electronics.
• T-Harness: The T-harness is a plug-in connection to the throttle pedal. It allows the cruise control system to control the throttle and maintain a consistent speed, giving you a comfortable and stress-free driving experience.
• Command module: The command module is the interface between you and the cruise control system. It comes with a GC3 standard stalk, but you have the option to upgrade to GC4 or GC5 stalks when making your purchase. With the command module, you can easily set and adjust your cruising speed, as well as turn the system on and off.

Cruise control safety features:

• Before activation, the cruise control system must detect resistance across the brake circuit. If there is a fault in the brake lights or brake switch, the cruise control will not work.
• The system also automatically deactivates if the speed increases or decreases by more than 15% of the set speed, such as when driving up a steep hill and the vehicle cannot maintain the set speed in the current gear.
• It’s important to note that the throttle pedal connection only affects the working of the vehicle when the cruise control power is turned on. When the cruise control is turned off, the pedal signals are unchanged, allowing the throttle pedal to operate normally.
• Additionally, the cruise control will automatically deactivate when the brake or clutch is applied, further enhancing the safety features of the system.

General installation process – Mazda MX-5 ND 2015-

The installation process for a cruise control system usually takes around 2-4 hours, depending on the make, model, and year of the vehicle. Some vehicles may require more time due to physical and electronic accessibility issues.

To install the system, you’ll need to remove the knee-trim and steering column cowling to access the area under the dashboard and the steering column. You’ll then need to use soldered joints to connect the +ve and CANBUS connections. Next, you’ll need to install the clutch switch and connect it to the cruise computer. Unplug the throttle pedal connector and place the T-harness inline. Connect the other end of the T-harness to the cruise computer. Once the hardware installation is complete, install the command module to the steering column cowling. Make sure to mark the best position before removing the trim. Run the cabling and connect it into the main computer loom. Finally, the setup procedure is straightforward and doesn’t require any additional equipment. The information needed to communicate with the vehicle is pre-installed by Conrad Anderson, so all that is required is to allow the vehicle to access the information.

The static setup procedure for cruise control installation typically involves two steps: pedal setup and CAN search.

• The pedal setup involves calibrating the cruise control to learn the throttle pedal signals of the specific vehicle. This is done by pressing the set button on the command module and then gradually pressing down on the throttle pedal until it reaches its maximum position. The cruise control then learns the range of signals from the pedal and stores them for future use.
• The CAN search involves the cruise control computer searching for and matching the installed software to the specific vehicle make and model. This is done by pressing and holding the set and resume buttons on the command module simultaneously for a few seconds. The cruise control will then display the software version and will search for the appropriate software for the vehicle.

After completing the pedal setup and CAN search, it is recommended to take the vehicle on a short drive to test the cruise control and ensure that it is working correctly.

Command module functions:

The GC3 is the basic stalk that is included in the product price, and it comes with all the basic functions, including setting the current speed, increasing and decreasing speed, coasting (which deactivates the cruise and can also be done by pressing the brake or clutch pedal), and resuming the previous speed.

In addition to these functions, the alternative command modules also include preset speed memory buttons. These buttons allow the driver to set and change specific speeds at any time. These speeds are non-volatile, meaning they remain set even after the ignition is turned off.

• GC4 – 2 preset memories
• GC5 – 3 preset memories (new design)

Command module installation:

Installation of the command module is straightforward. The stalk is bolted to the steering column cowling, with wiring running through the center of the hollow mounting bolt to the main computer wiring loom. The wires are supplied non-terminated to allow them to be run through the drilled cowling. Once the wires are in place, the connector is connected to the pre-pinned cables. It’s important to mount the module in a location that provides enough space to the rear of the cowling for the securing nut and flanged washer. The final position of the stalk can be adjusted using the integral ball joint.

If the cruise control is not working properly, here are some troubleshooting steps to take:

• Check the power supply and main fuse for the command module. If the module isn’t lighting up, this could be the issue.
• Check the brake connection using diagnostic mode. If the module indicator light doesn’t change from green to red, there may be an issue with the brake circuit.
• Check that the brake lights are operational. The cruise control system requires resistance across the brake circuit, so if the brake lights or brake switch is faulty, the cruise control will not work.

If you’re still having issues, contact the technical support team at 01212470619

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The PRECISION CRUISE CONTROL MAZDA MX-5 is an Original Equipment quality, retrofit Cruise Control System. This particular system is compatible with the following vehicles:

          Mazda MX-5   2005 - 2008 (Universal Stalk or OE Steering Buttons Options)

          Mazda MX-5   2009 - (Universal Stalk or OE Steering Buttons Options)

PRECISION CRUISE is a retrofit electronic cruise control system that provides all the functionality and convenience of Original Equipment systems, along with many enhanced features. This unit comes pre-programed for your specific vehicle and the full vehicle compatibility list can be found under the compatibility tab above.

Luxury and Convenience

Our PRECISION CRUISE Control Systems take all the stress and frustration out of long distance travelling. Simply activate the Cruise Control and remove your foot from the accelerator pedal for a much smoother and more comfortable driving experience. Should you wish to increase or decrease your speed to suit driving conditions or traffic flow speeds, the cruise control provides the option to increase or decrease your speed by pressing the respective button on the cruise control arm.

Dual Memory Settings

The PRECISION CRUISE Control System features the ability to preset two Cruise speeds in the Cruise memory. This enables you to drive at your most commonly used cruise speeds at the touch of a button, without having to drive to the desired speed first.

Original Equipment Quality Equipment

All of our Cruise Contol Equipment is OE Quality and comes complete with a 'Plug n Play' Pedal Harness to reduce Installation time and cost. Our Universal Cruise Arm (pictured) is an OE Quality Cruise Arm with all the required functionality and performance of original equipment systems. However, there is also the option on certain vehicles to incorporate the Original Equipment Cruise Control Switch for an even more professional installation.

Independent Speed Limiting

The Cruise Control also features the option of setting an Independent Speed Limit. This is controlled via the Universal Cruise Arm and can be activated to prevent the driver from speeding in areas where speed limit restrictions are enforced. The Cruise control can still be used independently below this limit. Please note that this facility is not available on vehicles where the Original Equipment Cruise Switch has been installed.

Reduces the Risk of Speeding Fines

Recently, there has been a dramatic increase in the number of speed cameras and police surveillance equipment on the roads. Using the PRECISION CRUISE enables the driver to mainatain a safe (and legal) speed limit without the worry of being penalised.

Driving Optimisation and Fuel Saving

When the Cruise Control is activated, the vehicle speed is regulated more than 50 times per second, optimising driving performance. This in turn can also reduce fuel and transportation costs without comprimising vehicle performance.

Installation Service

We also provide a full installation service of all our PRECISION CRUISE SYSTEMS. Please contact us directly to arrange a quotation and book an appointment.

PLEASE SELECT YOUR VEHICLE IN THE BOX ABOVE SO THAT WE CAN PROVIDE YOU WITH THE CORRECT SYSTEM. PLEASE CONTACT US DIRECTLY IF YOU DO NOT SEE YOUR VEHICLE ON OUR COMPATIBILITY LIST AS WE MAY BE ABLE TO PROVIDE A SOLUTION FOR YOU.

Due to the unique nature of this product, certain vehicles may incur a lead time for despatch and next day delivery may not always be available.

The PRECISION CRUISE comes complete with a Universal Cruise Arm that can be installed on the steering column. Most kits also come with a ready made 'Plug n Play' pedal harness for easy installation

Full, vehicle specific, Installation Instructions will be provided with each Cruise Control System purchased.

VEHICLE COMPATIBILITY LIST

IF YOUR VEHICLE IS NOT LISTED BELOW, PLEASE CONTACT US DIRECTLY TO SEE IF WE CAN PROVIDE A SOLUTION FOR YOU

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Sure would appreciate someone who has taken "Best of Moscow by high speed train" from St. Petersburg could please share their impressions of this shore excursion. From the description this sounds like a very long day.

Wondering how the 4 hour train trip was in terms of accommodations, etc. Also what time did you leave the ship and what time at night did you return? Were both legs of the trip on the high speed rail (I read that slower trains also travel the same tracks)?

My wife and I are considering this excursion. We thought that if we are making all the effort to go to Russia then how could we pass up going to Moscow, walking in Red Square, seeing St. Basil, etc.

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If you are considering this on the 2015 June Baltic cruise on Voyager; my suggestion is don't. There is so much to do in St. Petersburg and although a train is one of my favorite ways to travel the time would be far better spent in St. P.

Thanks for the advice. Yes, this would be on the Voyager during the 2015 season but not yet sure exactly which cruise.

We did the Moscow excursion "on a different luxury line", but from your brief description it sounds very much like the same trip, so I will operate on that assumption. It is a VERY long day! We left the ship at 5:30 AM and returned at 12:30 AM. The highspeed train trip is comfortable, and while they call it "Business Class" it does not compare well to the equivalent class on say Rail Europe. When we did it in 2011, we did have highspeed both ways, and the trip back seemed much longer as the adrenaline and excitement had worn off!:D

Moscow itself is not that terribly different from any other big city in the world, but this Cold War kid never thought he would ever stand in Red Square, never mind walk the grounds of The Kremlin, or tour The Kremlin Palace, or see (but not visit) Lenin's Tomb, or visit The Armoury. But he did, and he loved every minute of it! Yes, it is a long day, and you barely scratch a scratch on the surface, but it is worth it. There is a tremendous amount to see in St. Petersburg, but every Baltic cruise goes to St. Petersburg, so you can go back if you choose to. Not every cruiseline offers you the chance to see Moscow.

I have not personally done this tour, but our last time in St Petersburg, the private guide that we hired for a day was leading the regent tour to Moscow on the high speed train the next day. He said it was way better than the previous alternative, which was flying to Moscow and back. He said that you actually got to Moscow faster because you didn't have to deal with airline checkin etc. it did seem like a very long day to me, and there is so much to see and do in st. Petersburg that I didn't consider doing it.

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We toured to Moscow from St. Petersburg via the hi-speed SAPSAN train last September, from a Baltic cruise on the Oceania Marina. You need to have a two-night, three day port call in St. Petersburg to take this tour because the tour typically leaves the ship around 5:00 - 5:30 AM and doesn't return until after midnight the next day. We didn't take the ship's tour; we made private arrangements with TravelAllRussia for three days of touring, the first and third days in St. Petersburg and the second day the tour to Moscow by train. Our cost for the private tour for three days was about the same as what the ship charged for the excursion to Moscow alone. There are a number of private tour agencies that operate in St. Petersburg and offer the Moscow train tours; we would strongly recommend them over the ship's tours.

All three days had private guides with car and driver. The second day, the driver picked us up at the ship and took us to the train, but we were alone on the train, and met in Moscow by the guide on the station platform. After our tour and dinner, we were brought back to the train and after the return train trip met by the driver and taken back to the ship. Because you are alone on the train you must have your own Russian visas.

If this is your first visit to St. Petersburg, I would agree there is much more to see there. We found Moscow somewhat a disappointment, particularly Red Square. The Kremlin and the cathedral in Red Square were also worth seeing. But the best thing we saw was the Moscow subway! I worked for the Washington Metro system back in the 1980s as it grew from 40 to 80 miles and although I was in the computer area, I learned a lot about the challenges of running a subway system. We used the Moscow system to get across the city from where we had dinner to the train station, and I was amazed at the cleanliness', speed of operation, the short headways maintained, and the courtesy of everyone involved. A very impressive experience!

We had been to St. Petersburg before, and so had the time to take a day and go to Moscow. Also, I really like trains, and the SAPSAN is a German train set running on Russian rails. Seats are like first class domestic air, spacious but not too plush or comfortable, but with enough room. Not too much recline, and almost 8 hours on the train in two shots is a lot for an old man. They come through and sell drinks, candy, etc. but the sellers don't speak English and no one around us helped, so we had just poor coffee once coming, and brought stuff with us for the trip back. Not too much to see from the train either, particularly on the return when it is night the whole way.

If you decide to go, take a private tour and avoid the overly expensive ship's tour. I'm glad we did it, but wouldn't bother to repeat the tour; we've seen Moscow.

Thanks so much to all of you for the thorough and thought insight. Yhe information you have provided is most helpful.

countflorida: Your detailed post is very helpful. We are not quite ready for a Baltic cruise but should do so within a year. Time enough to do our pre travel research, bookings and visa gathering.:) Thank you!

Emperor Norton

Sure would appreciate someone who has taken "Best of Moscow by high speed train" from St. Petersburg could please share their impressions of this shore excursion. From the description this sounds like a very long day.   Wondering how the 4 hour train trip was in terms of accommodations, etc. Also what time did you leave the ship and what time at night did you return? Were both legs of the trip on the high speed rail (I read that slower trains also travel the same tracks)?   My wife and I are considering this excursion. We thought that if we are making all the effort to go to Russia then how could we pass up going to Moscow, walking in Red Square, seeing St. Basil, etc.

I did this on Seabourn. IMO DONT. Take Aeroflop (er Aeroflot). The train has non folding seats where you are literally knee to knee with your fellow passenger (facing each other). Further they don't believe in air conditioning. It's also the worlds slowed bullet train. I think I would have found more enjoyment wandering around the St. Petersburg and Moscow airports.

Countflorida,

This is a little off topic,, however we had planned a river cruise in Russia but decided we would rather stay on land and have booked about two weeks with Travel-All-Russia using the private guide and driver. I'm curious as to how you found them as a tour company.

The guides they provided were fine. We had a different guide each of the days in St. Petersburg, but both were flexible, pleasant, knowledgeable and spoke English very well, as did the guide in Moscow, incidentally. She was a bit aloof, distant, not too friendly, but otherwise fine. In fact, she was the one who suggested taking the Metro, which unexpectedly became one of the highlights of the Moscow excursion. If I have a complaint with AllTravelRussia, it is with their plan and its execution (more later).

I had requested emphasis on World War II (in Russia, the Great Patriotic War) sites and info. In scheduling us, they weren't careful about dates and a couple of the sites we wanted to see were scheduled on the third day, after we'd been to Moscow. But both sites were closed that day of the week, and that info was readily available, right on web sites describing them. Also, the included meals (lunches in St. Pete, dinner in Moscow) were not what we asked for: light meals with some choices, so we could avoid things we didn't like and choose things we did like. My request was ignored; we were given full Russian meals with a fixed menu, no choice. On the first day, a fish dish was the entre, but I am allergic to fish. Fortunately, I had the e-mail I'd sent with me and showed it to the guide, and she was able to change my entre to chicken, which was very good actually. But we didn't want a 3-4 course lunches or dinner (in Moscow). We had the guide drop the lunch the third day, although we never got any credit or refund. But, particularly in contrast to the ship's tours, the prices were so reasonable we didn't worry too much about it.

The people who were on the ship's tour to Moscow saw us boarding the same train for which they were forced to queue up and wait on the way back, and asked us what we had done. I was candid and open so they were not happy when I explained what we had arranged and particularly what it had cost. Also, when we returned to the ship, we found they had laid on a late supper for those who had gone to Moscow, so up we went and had something. Well, it turns out the late supper was supposed to be just for those on the ship's tour, but we and others on 'independent' tours, there were a dozen or more of us, crashed the party, actually got there first, and they didn't realize it until the larger group arrived and there weren't enough tables/places set. By that time, the 'independents' had all gotten served and were eating; what could they do?

A couple from the larger group sat down with us and asked us about our tour, and they were the ones I told about our arrangement and its cost. They turned to others who’d been with them and announced the details, loudly enough so the whole room heard, which started a lot of bitching and complaining. I gathered they weren't very happy with the ship's tour to begin with, and this was the straw that broke the camel's back. We finished up and beat it out of there, but overheard later that one of the excursion staff came to check on something and ran into a real mess. I caught a cold on the trip, which forced me to bed the second day following in Tallinn, so by the time we reappeared we heard about the contretemps' but apparently no one recalled who started it, thankfully.

Because of what happened to us, I would probably not use AllTravelRussia if I were to go again, or if I did, I would be sure to get confirmation of every detail of the tour. They do have good reviews generally, and we were certainly helped by their visa department and liked the guides and drivers. Their weakness, I say now with full 20:20 hindsight, is that once the sales person who plans the tour, sells it to you and collects your money, he (or she) transfers the plan to their Russia office for implementation; there is no follow-up to make sure it gets done right. And that is where our problems arose; we paid for a custom tour but got a standard package with a few destinations switched, and no one checked them out, even to see when they were open the day we were scheduled to go. If you check every detail that’s important to you, it should be OK, but that’s a hell of a way to have to do business, in my opinion.

Thank you for the 20/20 hindsight observation on your Russian tour operator, and better priced than the ship's excursion cost.

Thanks very much for the feedback.

We had the same experience as you so far as price. We originally booked a Viking Cruise but, hearing some things about the river cruises that made us unhappy, looked into other options. T-A-R cost the same or less than a cruise and had us in hotels for 11 days. We opted for the private tour. They have three tour levels, based on hotels. We originally opted for the four star as it did not cost much more than the three star hotels. Finally we decided to throw it all in and upgraded to five star. In Moscow we will be at the newly opened Kempinsky which is two blocks from Red Square. In St. Petersburg it is the Grand Hotel Europe, one of the most vaunted luxury hotels in Russia. Location is important for us as the tours use up only part of the day so being in the center of everything for our independent touring is important. As with many other cities, the less you pay, the farther out of the center of town you are.

We have been working with our salesman in D.C. and he seems to get back to us with the changes we want. He recently returned from Russia so is up on everything. When I asked they said they paid the full TA commission if I wanted so I got my usual TA on board so he is watching our back and giving us that extra level of comfort. He also set up our air, which I know pays him little or nothing, and got us business class for much less than T-A-R wanted for economy, though it took working for a while with a consolidator. He's happy to get his 10 percent on this trip without having booked it. He also took care of the trip insurance. We've been doing a lot of research on the CC sister site Trip Advisor and will write a report there. We will, I guess, become a source of info for CC members after having spent 5 days in Moscow and 6 in SP.

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scubacruiserx2

Anybody considering a day trip to Moscow from St. Petersburg on the Sapsan may want to look at our travelogue filled with pictures.

http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=1927687

Very informative. Thanks dor sharing. Jeff

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