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TaylorMade Tour Preferred CB 3-PW Iron Set The TaylorMade Tour Preferred CB Iron Set is the latest and greatest from one of the top names in golf. This Tour-preferred set has a cavity back for soft, responsive feel and consistency and allows forgiveness on off-center hits. Additional Features: Shaft: True Temper Dynalite Golf XP Set Composition: 3-Pitching Wedge

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The TaylorMade Tour Preferred irons are a solid choice for skilled golfers seeking precision, workability, and a classic look. If you have a lower handicap and prioritize control over forgiveness, the Tour Preferred irons could be a suitable option. As with any golf equipment, it's recommended to try the clubs or get professionally fitted to ensure they match your individual swing characteristics and preferences. by tstoto

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I just recently purchased a set of 2009 TaylorMade tour preferred irons with TT dynamic gold s300 shafts. I went to try out some irons to replace my Snake Eyes forged cavity backs I have been playing with the past 5 years. I really had my mind set on either Ping s57 or Titleist ap2's but the TaylorMade's were on sale as they were last year's model, so I figured I would give them a shot. I have never been a huge fan of TaylorMade irons in the past. After a 10 minute warm-up, the testing began in the fitting room. All three irons gave nearly identical measures; launch angle being 14-15 degrees and initial ball speed of 132-135 mph for each swing with each. I was using 5-irons for comparison purposes. I was very shocked to find that the TaylorMade's were the longest of the three, but only about 3-4 yards longer than the ap2's. The Ping's brought up the rear in this catagory. Also, the TaylorMade's had the tightest shot dispersion of the three, again with the Ping's being the worst of the three (not bad by any reason, but just not as tight as the other two). The real kicker was on the mis-hit shots (about two out of ten for each club, not bad but not pure smash either), the TaylorMade's still held the line and only lost about 5 yards of distance. I have since played 2 18-hole rounds with the clubs, and the only problem I have had is adjusting to the new distances I am hitting each club, approx 6-10 yards further than my old set. I had even had the old set bent 3 degrees strong, and the new TaylorMade's are still standard loft/lie!! I would be interested in seeing how they perform with Rifle shafts, however I really don't see the need to make any changes at this time as these are vastly superior to any club I have played in the past. I really like the swingweight and the feel of these irons. I pretty much hit a very consistent 5-yard draw with these, and mis-hits are not a disaster. Now, if only I can get better at chipping..........

Have not had to use them, however Golf Galaxy staff was very helpful in choosing this set.

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Ping Zing 2, Snake Eyes 600C forged cavity-back. Also demo'd Titleist ap2, Ping s57, Callaway x forged and x-22 and Mizuno mp-58.

I was looking for a new and modern set of irons with a cloassical look, but some forgiveness in order to replace my old Taylormade RAC Combo Set. Tried around a lot. At the end I tried the new Tour Preferred irons and they are at its best. Great feel, the d1 balance was amazing and I had a great feel shot for shot. The only negative remark is the bit harder feel during impact than my old forged irons. But I hit the 3 iron solid from the fairway as well as the PW, they are constant and easy to hit. Also took back some strength, switched from stiff to regular but I am even a bit further (note: with the same loft degree) as with my old driver. For 300 € at ebay this was a great deal.

Ping S57, Ping S58, Macgregor, Mizuno MP52, Taylor Made Tour Burner, Taylor Made RAC TP, Nike Pro Combo etc.

Started this beautiful sports 4 years ago with a set of Callaway Big Bertha irons. Then switched to the Callaway X-Tour Forged 1.5 years ago as my game improved. My handicap has gone down to around 16 to 14 but could not improve any further. Recently I decided I should change the set for one that is more current, with better technology that might help me in my game. After testing a few models - namely Ping S57, TM 2009 TP and Titleist AP2, I settled for Taylormade's Tour Preferred Irons with Project X Flighted shafts. The club looks beautiful at every angle. During my first range session, it took me only about 5 shots to get used to each club. And at the end of it, the only thing in my mind was 'I should have switched to this much earlier!' The feel was excellent, and I might say even better then my last set of forged irons, really buttery coming off the sweet spot, probably due to the Vibration-management Cavity Badge or the undercut cavity. Sound at impact was also solid. Off-center hits were forgiving, with less loss of distance compared to my old irons. I was even striking the ball better with the long irons, with increased confidence. Shots are now more consistent, with more GIR every round. For mid-handicappers and better, who are thinking about getting a new set of players irons, look no further. This set should not disappoint.

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I've been serious about golf for 5 years. I switched over to a set of TaylorMade Tour Preferred irons after playing with Mizuno MP-33's for a couple of years. Before playing the MP-33's, I hit Callaway Big Bertha 2005 irons. Since they were game improvement irons, I was able to play the irons well in a short period of time. After playing with them for 1 year, I decided to switch over to MP-33's since the Big Bertha's lacked feel and workability. At first, the MP-33's were brutal to play with because the sweet spot is the size of a dime. However, after about a year, I learned that in order to hit blades well, you have to slow down your swing. After I figured that out, I loved playing with the MP-33's. I recently decided to buy a set of irons with a little more forgiveness but still maintain workability. Tour Preferred offered just that. Now, I'm striking the ball much better and not paying a heavy penalty for miss hits. If you are looking for a set of irons with blade like features with forgiveness of cavity back irons, I highly recommend trying out the TaylorMade Tour Preferred irons.

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Above, Golf Monthly Technical Editor Paul O'Hagan gives his TaylorMade Tour Preferred Irons review.

The clubs come in three models - CB, MB and MC - and were unveiled in January 2014.

The TaylorMade Tour Preferred MB irons are an authentic muscle-back blade forged from soft, 1025 carbon steel with a classic and compact shape, a thin top line and minimal offset.

The TaylorMade Tour Preferred MC irons featuree a muscle-cavity to boost the moment of inertia, creating an all-round iron product with feel, workability and stability.

The 3- 7-irons feature TaylorMade's Speed Pocket to promote increased ball speed in the lower portion of the clubface and more consistency across the entire face.

The head, top-line and sole-width of the Tour Preferred MC are all slighty larger than those on the Tour Preferred MB.

The TaylorMade Tour Preferred CB is a complete cavity-back which combines the shape of a player's iron with the look of a blade at set-up.

The Speed Pocket in the 3- 7-irons feature micro-slots for fast ball speeds across the whole face, as well as higher launch for more distance.

TaylorMade claims the Tour Preferred CB is one of the longest player's irons it has ever created.

The heads of the short irons are compact with minimal offset, and long and middle iron heads are a touch larger with progressive offset, offering more stability and easier launch.

The TaylorMade Tour Preferred CB, Tour Preferred MC and Tour Preferred MC come in 3-iron to pitching wedge with a satin nickel-chrome finish. All three models come with KBS Tour steel shafts and tour velvet grips.

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Thoughts on the 2009 TM Tour Preferred irons

By AmazinBlue March 8, 2013 in Equipment

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I've got a line on a really nice set of Taylormade 2009 Tour Preferred irons. I had a set of these back in the day and liked them pretty well as I remember. I'm wondering what the WRX gurus think of those clubs and how they stack up as a low-offset cavity back for feel, forgiveness and distance?

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I was looking at the pics from one of the pro tourny's a few weeks ago, and the first two TM bags i saw both had the 2009 tour preferred irons.

Great clubs, I played em with S-300 for 2 or 3 seasons. I replaced them with AP2 712 a year ago or so & haven't looked back. I hit thr Titleists more consistent. 09 Tour Preferreds are great but I think the AP2 712 are superior, definitely improved my GIR with them

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I didn't like them and traded them away a few years ago. Different strokes for different folks.

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This Summer, I stepped up to TaylorMade Tour Preferred irons from TaylorMade Tour Burners. Bought a set used with green Aldila NV Multi Comp 85g shafts in stiff flex - had a wild hair to try graphite. I was fairly pleased with the Tour Preferred set, as it had fairly classic looks & lofts, without eliminating all forgiveness. As much as I liked my Tour Burners, I liked the Tour Preferred set even more. Not sure if it was because of the graphite or not. I now have a set of TM SpeedBlades on order (w/DG XP S300 steel shafts) to replace the Tour Preferred set. Will report on the new set after a few rounds.

They look great in my opinion. I'd love to game them one day.

I really liked them. Not sure why I got rid of them. My biggest issue with them was occasionally I would hit one about 10 yards farther than I would expect it to go. If they had just a little less offset and not had the occasional flyer from a fairway lie I would probably still be playing them. The soles on them were really set up for a digger swing type, which I am.

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TaylorMade Tour Preferred irons

Published: 25 August 2008 Last updated: 27 June 2013

The nation’s better golfers better prepare to get VERY excited about the launch of the new TaylorMade Tour Preferred irons.

Why do we say that? Because the TG test team took delivery of the Taylormade Tour Preferred iron several days ago in order to bring you a world first review of the Taylormade Tour Preferred iron. And the feedback from our testers has been tremendous.

Instruction editor Carly Cummins, off a very tidy 3 HCP, was a big fan of the Tour Preferred Irons, especially the forgiveness that they offered consdiering they are a club clearly aimed at the better player. Unlike lots of “better-player” irons, the Tour Preferred irons didn’t punish the off-centre hit too severely, making them all-round winner with our resident better player. Check out the video of Carly in action below!

Although the Tour Preferred iron isn’t the biggest iron to look at the technology packed into it somehow makes it relatively easy to hit – and when you do connect properly feedback is simply superb.

Taylormade say that the take-up of the TaylorMade Tour Preferred iron on Tour has been high and it’s easy to see why on hitting it; those guys will love the fact that they get the feedback of a traditional blade with the forgiveness of a modern golf club.

So how have TaylorMade achieved this? Light and long shafts, unsurpassed forgivness and easy launch technologies have all been stuffed into the Tour Preferred iron but with a thin topline and shorter blade length from toe to heel.

A shallow undercut cavity redistributes weight to the heel and toe to increase stability and promote a solid feel on impact. An inverted cone spacing has been created at the back of the face to help increase forgiveness on off centre hits, while a cool looking ‘vibration management’ badge has been fitted to the back of the club to minimise bad feedback and give you a sweeter feel.

Expect to pay £599 for steel and £699 for graphite shaft sets when they hit the shops this autumn.

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2009 TaylorMade Tour Preferred Irons

By delav , July 18, 2011 in Clubs, Grips, Shafts, Fitting

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I'm curious if anyone has had these in their bag recently?

I remember hitting these when they first came out, and liking them quite a bit.  I'm thinking of picking up a set as an alternative to the AP2s, which are still very expensive.

Any Sand Trap experience?

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I've been playing them since the end of 2009 and am very happy with them. I started out with the Burners for a few months but switched to the TPs when I got fitted. I'm a big fan from both an aesthetic (looks like a players iron with a thin topline) and functional (cavity back) standpoint. What I like is that I can feel the difference between hitting it flush and catching it a little thin (couldn't do that with the Burners), yet the TPs are still forgiving enough for an intermediate and improving player like me. I got mine new on eBay for either $425 or $450, which was an absolute steal.

That is a steal INDEED!!! I've wanted to try these out for a while, and I'm trying to find one on ebay to try out, 6 or 5 iron hopefully. If you know or see one, let me know!

6-iron: http://cgi.ebay.com/TaylorMade-Tour-Preferred-2009-6-Iron-Stiff-Project-X-/170667462245?pt=Golf_Clubs&hash;=item27bc92ce65

6-iron: http://cgi.ebay.com/TaylorMade-Tour-Preferred-2009-Single-6-Iron-KBS-Stiff-/140459142056?pt=Golf_Clubs&hash;=item20b4046ba8

5-iron: http://cgi.ebay.com/TaylorMade-Tour-Preferred-2009-5-Iron-Stiff-Project-X-/170667461981?pt=Golf_Clubs&hash;=item27bc92cd5d

Unfortunately, I don't think you're likely to find a new set of these since the model is almost three years old. What about trying out the new MCs? They're basically an updated version of the TPs, except the MCs are forged. You can get them on eBay for $600 right now.

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One of the better TM irons imo. Very consistent distances and not freakishly long. I give them about a 7.5 out of 10. Hope this helps!

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Thanks for the replies.  I've read a few good threads from when they were introduced, and it looks like sets can be found on eBay for around $300 in good condition.  I've hit the new MCs and like the feel, but wasn't wild about them enough to spend $800.

In addition, new grips (midsize) and shaft upcharges push the price of anything new a bit too high for my liking, and I'm a big believer in the value of lightly-used golf equipment.

definitely find a good set of TP's and you won't be disappointed. One of TMAG's better irons in the last few years.

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Just wanted to update this thread since the purchase.

I wanted to move from the PX 6.5 to a TTx100, and I found a set that seemed to fit well.  This set was +1/4" with Tour Issue TT x100 shafts and a new set of midsize Golf Pride New Decades.  These sticks were supposedly built by the tour department (had the tour ferrule) and played by a mini tour player in AZ.  Irons were in great shape and I picked them up for $265.

After a few range sessions and 2 after-work nines, I'd have to say I love these irons.  The shafts feel wonderful compared to the PX, and these irons are quite a bit more forgiving than my musclebacks without constraining shot shaping too much.  This set plays about a club longer for me, and the feel for a cast head is excellent.  I can't flight the ball as easily as I could before, but that may come with time and I get used to the new set.

For those looking for a great value in a players cavity, these sticks are very solid.

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I have these in my bag right now. I bought them used last year, well I swapped a set of diablos for them straight up. I really like them. i never liked the look of gi or sgi irons and when I took them to the range I had no problems hitting them. I also used to own a set of AP2's and found them much harder to hit then these ones. All in all these are a great set of irons that don't just fit in the "player" category. high cappers like myself can hit them with ease.

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Best of Moscow by high speed train

By shuguley , February 15, 2014 in Regent Seven Seas Cruises

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Sure would appreciate someone who has taken "Best of Moscow by high speed train" from St. Petersburg could please share their impressions of this shore excursion. From the description this sounds like a very long day.

Wondering how the 4 hour train trip was in terms of accommodations, etc. Also what time did you leave the ship and what time at night did you return? Were both legs of the trip on the high speed rail (I read that slower trains also travel the same tracks)?

My wife and I are considering this excursion. We thought that if we are making all the effort to go to Russia then how could we pass up going to Moscow, walking in Red Square, seeing St. Basil, etc.

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If you are considering this on the 2015 June Baltic cruise on Voyager; my suggestion is don't. There is so much to do in St. Petersburg and although a train is one of my favorite ways to travel the time would be far better spent in St. P.

Thanks for the advice. Yes, this would be on the Voyager during the 2015 season but not yet sure exactly which cruise.

We did the Moscow excursion "on a different luxury line", but from your brief description it sounds very much like the same trip, so I will operate on that assumption. It is a VERY long day! We left the ship at 5:30 AM and returned at 12:30 AM. The highspeed train trip is comfortable, and while they call it "Business Class" it does not compare well to the equivalent class on say Rail Europe. When we did it in 2011, we did have highspeed both ways, and the trip back seemed much longer as the adrenaline and excitement had worn off!:D

Moscow itself is not that terribly different from any other big city in the world, but this Cold War kid never thought he would ever stand in Red Square, never mind walk the grounds of The Kremlin, or tour The Kremlin Palace, or see (but not visit) Lenin's Tomb, or visit The Armoury. But he did, and he loved every minute of it! Yes, it is a long day, and you barely scratch a scratch on the surface, but it is worth it. There is a tremendous amount to see in St. Petersburg, but every Baltic cruise goes to St. Petersburg, so you can go back if you choose to. Not every cruiseline offers you the chance to see Moscow.

I have not personally done this tour, but our last time in St Petersburg, the private guide that we hired for a day was leading the regent tour to Moscow on the high speed train the next day. He said it was way better than the previous alternative, which was flying to Moscow and back. He said that you actually got to Moscow faster because you didn't have to deal with airline checkin etc. it did seem like a very long day to me, and there is so much to see and do in st. Petersburg that I didn't consider doing it.

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We toured to Moscow from St. Petersburg via the hi-speed SAPSAN train last September, from a Baltic cruise on the Oceania Marina. You need to have a two-night, three day port call in St. Petersburg to take this tour because the tour typically leaves the ship around 5:00 - 5:30 AM and doesn't return until after midnight the next day. We didn't take the ship's tour; we made private arrangements with TravelAllRussia for three days of touring, the first and third days in St. Petersburg and the second day the tour to Moscow by train. Our cost for the private tour for three days was about the same as what the ship charged for the excursion to Moscow alone. There are a number of private tour agencies that operate in St. Petersburg and offer the Moscow train tours; we would strongly recommend them over the ship's tours.

All three days had private guides with car and driver. The second day, the driver picked us up at the ship and took us to the train, but we were alone on the train, and met in Moscow by the guide on the station platform. After our tour and dinner, we were brought back to the train and after the return train trip met by the driver and taken back to the ship. Because you are alone on the train you must have your own Russian visas.

If this is your first visit to St. Petersburg, I would agree there is much more to see there. We found Moscow somewhat a disappointment, particularly Red Square. The Kremlin and the cathedral in Red Square were also worth seeing. But the best thing we saw was the Moscow subway! I worked for the Washington Metro system back in the 1980s as it grew from 40 to 80 miles and although I was in the computer area, I learned a lot about the challenges of running a subway system. We used the Moscow system to get across the city from where we had dinner to the train station, and I was amazed at the cleanliness', speed of operation, the short headways maintained, and the courtesy of everyone involved. A very impressive experience!

We had been to St. Petersburg before, and so had the time to take a day and go to Moscow. Also, I really like trains, and the SAPSAN is a German train set running on Russian rails. Seats are like first class domestic air, spacious but not too plush or comfortable, but with enough room. Not too much recline, and almost 8 hours on the train in two shots is a lot for an old man. They come through and sell drinks, candy, etc. but the sellers don't speak English and no one around us helped, so we had just poor coffee once coming, and brought stuff with us for the trip back. Not too much to see from the train either, particularly on the return when it is night the whole way.

If you decide to go, take a private tour and avoid the overly expensive ship's tour. I'm glad we did it, but wouldn't bother to repeat the tour; we've seen Moscow.

Thanks so much to all of you for the thorough and thought insight. Yhe information you have provided is most helpful.

countflorida: Your detailed post is very helpful. We are not quite ready for a Baltic cruise but should do so within a year. Time enough to do our pre travel research, bookings and visa gathering.:) Thank you!

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Sure would appreciate someone who has taken "Best of Moscow by high speed train" from St. Petersburg could please share their impressions of this shore excursion. From the description this sounds like a very long day.   Wondering how the 4 hour train trip was in terms of accommodations, etc. Also what time did you leave the ship and what time at night did you return? Were both legs of the trip on the high speed rail (I read that slower trains also travel the same tracks)?   My wife and I are considering this excursion. We thought that if we are making all the effort to go to Russia then how could we pass up going to Moscow, walking in Red Square, seeing St. Basil, etc.

I did this on Seabourn. IMO DONT. Take Aeroflop (er Aeroflot). The train has non folding seats where you are literally knee to knee with your fellow passenger (facing each other). Further they don't believe in air conditioning. It's also the worlds slowed bullet train. I think I would have found more enjoyment wandering around the St. Petersburg and Moscow airports.

Countflorida,

This is a little off topic,, however we had planned a river cruise in Russia but decided we would rather stay on land and have booked about two weeks with Travel-All-Russia using the private guide and driver. I'm curious as to how you found them as a tour company.

The guides they provided were fine. We had a different guide each of the days in St. Petersburg, but both were flexible, pleasant, knowledgeable and spoke English very well, as did the guide in Moscow, incidentally. She was a bit aloof, distant, not too friendly, but otherwise fine. In fact, she was the one who suggested taking the Metro, which unexpectedly became one of the highlights of the Moscow excursion. If I have a complaint with AllTravelRussia, it is with their plan and its execution (more later).

I had requested emphasis on World War II (in Russia, the Great Patriotic War) sites and info. In scheduling us, they weren't careful about dates and a couple of the sites we wanted to see were scheduled on the third day, after we'd been to Moscow. But both sites were closed that day of the week, and that info was readily available, right on web sites describing them. Also, the included meals (lunches in St. Pete, dinner in Moscow) were not what we asked for: light meals with some choices, so we could avoid things we didn't like and choose things we did like. My request was ignored; we were given full Russian meals with a fixed menu, no choice. On the first day, a fish dish was the entre, but I am allergic to fish. Fortunately, I had the e-mail I'd sent with me and showed it to the guide, and she was able to change my entre to chicken, which was very good actually. But we didn't want a 3-4 course lunches or dinner (in Moscow). We had the guide drop the lunch the third day, although we never got any credit or refund. But, particularly in contrast to the ship's tours, the prices were so reasonable we didn't worry too much about it.

The people who were on the ship's tour to Moscow saw us boarding the same train for which they were forced to queue up and wait on the way back, and asked us what we had done. I was candid and open so they were not happy when I explained what we had arranged and particularly what it had cost. Also, when we returned to the ship, we found they had laid on a late supper for those who had gone to Moscow, so up we went and had something. Well, it turns out the late supper was supposed to be just for those on the ship's tour, but we and others on 'independent' tours, there were a dozen or more of us, crashed the party, actually got there first, and they didn't realize it until the larger group arrived and there weren't enough tables/places set. By that time, the 'independents' had all gotten served and were eating; what could they do?

A couple from the larger group sat down with us and asked us about our tour, and they were the ones I told about our arrangement and its cost. They turned to others who’d been with them and announced the details, loudly enough so the whole room heard, which started a lot of bitching and complaining. I gathered they weren't very happy with the ship's tour to begin with, and this was the straw that broke the camel's back. We finished up and beat it out of there, but overheard later that one of the excursion staff came to check on something and ran into a real mess. I caught a cold on the trip, which forced me to bed the second day following in Tallinn, so by the time we reappeared we heard about the contretemps' but apparently no one recalled who started it, thankfully.

Because of what happened to us, I would probably not use AllTravelRussia if I were to go again, or if I did, I would be sure to get confirmation of every detail of the tour. They do have good reviews generally, and we were certainly helped by their visa department and liked the guides and drivers. Their weakness, I say now with full 20:20 hindsight, is that once the sales person who plans the tour, sells it to you and collects your money, he (or she) transfers the plan to their Russia office for implementation; there is no follow-up to make sure it gets done right. And that is where our problems arose; we paid for a custom tour but got a standard package with a few destinations switched, and no one checked them out, even to see when they were open the day we were scheduled to go. If you check every detail that’s important to you, it should be OK, but that’s a hell of a way to have to do business, in my opinion.

Thank you for the 20/20 hindsight observation on your Russian tour operator, and better priced than the ship's excursion cost.

Thanks very much for the feedback.

We had the same experience as you so far as price. We originally booked a Viking Cruise but, hearing some things about the river cruises that made us unhappy, looked into other options. T-A-R cost the same or less than a cruise and had us in hotels for 11 days. We opted for the private tour. They have three tour levels, based on hotels. We originally opted for the four star as it did not cost much more than the three star hotels. Finally we decided to throw it all in and upgraded to five star. In Moscow we will be at the newly opened Kempinsky which is two blocks from Red Square. In St. Petersburg it is the Grand Hotel Europe, one of the most vaunted luxury hotels in Russia. Location is important for us as the tours use up only part of the day so being in the center of everything for our independent touring is important. As with many other cities, the less you pay, the farther out of the center of town you are.

We have been working with our salesman in D.C. and he seems to get back to us with the changes we want. He recently returned from Russia so is up on everything. When I asked they said they paid the full TA commission if I wanted so I got my usual TA on board so he is watching our back and giving us that extra level of comfort. He also set up our air, which I know pays him little or nothing, and got us business class for much less than T-A-R wanted for economy, though it took working for a while with a consolidator. He's happy to get his 10 percent on this trip without having booked it. He also took care of the trip insurance. We've been doing a lot of research on the CC sister site Trip Advisor and will write a report there. We will, I guess, become a source of info for CC members after having spent 5 days in Moscow and 6 in SP.

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Anybody considering a day trip to Moscow from St. Petersburg on the Sapsan may want to look at our travelogue filled with pictures.

http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=1927687

Very informative. Thanks dor sharing. Jeff

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